What's a feminist?

[wim121]

Yes - indeed, it was your use of the word as if feminists are all looney man-haters that prompted my post. It's only a dirty word if people use it as such.

Lunatics are at one end of the spectrum. Many are in the middle that want greater rights than men, but dont hate them enough to try and kill/imprison them.

Congrats - you're a feminist!

Hehehehehe first time Ive had someone consider me as such, but thanks, I must be getting more tolerant in my old age.

While I think everyone shouldnt be persecuted and have equal pay and rights, I still believe in marriage only between men and women, homemakers and people acting according to their gender, all of which some might say would make me a right wing misogynist.

[wim121]

No sweeping generalisations at all, feel free to incorrectly point any out. The true original dictionary definition of feminism is "the act of behaving like a female" and nothing turns me on more. I like women who realise they are women and behave in a ladylike manner. Sadly, modern societies women for the most part, do not behave like this.

Starts off wrong

Doesnt start off wrong at all. Dictionary definitions vary from dictionary to dictionary and over time. Before the rise of mass feminism, in older dictionaries, feminism was defined as the act of being feminine/acting like a lady.

turns weird as you describe what turns you on and then tries to blanket all women with your desire for them to behave in a "ladylike" manner, whatever that is.

I merely stated that I like real women, not modern bastardised equivalents very prevalent in society now. I never said all women should act like a lady nor did I chastise them for it. All I said is women acting like men doesnt do it for me. If it does for you, Ive got bad news for you son.

Feminism has become a dirty word.

Only in some respects, you fail to qualify what you mean by this

I made myself very clear with an explanation. What part didnt you understand?

However feminism especially in the last half century hasn't wanted true equality, They use propaganda and positive discrimination to go beyond equal rights and take what they want.

Sweeping generalisation

Not so at all. As I said, spend a day in family court. Modern women for the most part arent just content with equal pay and equal rights. 50/50 divorces are a thing of the past. You have no idea how the legal system works, but you will find out when you get divorced, good luck, you'll need it.

Propaganda and positive discrimination is all around us in the legal system. Let me put this to you in a much simpler way you may be able to understand:
- Have you seen the recent home office adverts? The most recent is a white teenage boy "raping" his girlfriend. The ones before were all a white teenage boy smacking about his girlfriend.

Where is the black man raping a girl? Where is the big fat girl raping a boy? What even about a domestic violence situation which most have experienced. Where is the advert campaign with a woman throwing plates at her boyfriend because he is late home from the pub?

Nothing about what I said was a sweeping generalisation. Positive discrimination and propaganda are real, they exist, they are tangible, they are not generalisations.

Females have equal legal rights to men and equal social rights and in recent decades, are getting superior legal rights, so feminists that still protest for rights dont want true equality, they want a better deal than the male gender. That is a stone cold fact, not a generalisation.

Younger generations have different ambitions as well. Now young girls aren't so much interested in becoming doctors, but having babies while they are teenagers so they can get their own council place

Even bigger sweeping generalisation and one which every single woman I know would take some offence at

Sorry they are stupid enough to take offence at the truth and one they fail to understand as not a comment on genders but social complexes.

I did use a qualifier as this is obviously a generalisation to some extent, but it isnt sweeping as I didnt say "all young women", did I, no!

Speak to anyone you know who works in a school. Members of my family do and have seen the shift as has most others. In decades past, when girls were asked what they wanted to be in classrooms, over half named a career. When they were asked in the same area, in the school the OH worked in a couple years back, only one or two out of approximately twenty girls named a career, the rest wanted to have as many children and as soon as possible.

This social shift is due to the fact that a young teenage girl having babies pays a lot more than an honest days work. The welfare system has encouraged sloth and many see it as a preferable mechanism to work. Teenage pregnancy doesnt have the shame it once did and children are sexualised in to almost pornographic roles by society at a very young age. All this leads to an inevitable situation. You may call it a generalisation, everyone else calls it fate for the want of a better word.

Young girls are brought up to suffer from the mental affliction of princess syndrome.

Again, utter tulip and another sweeping generalisation

Not at all.

Princess Syndrome is a recognised psychological condition and explained in papers and books. One Australian psychiatrist published a book on it, in a series of books aimed at explaining how children are affected by social conditioning throughout their lives.

In one book, he describes how your sweet girl one day grew up in to a defiant teenage girl, rebellious and hard to control. This is a situation most parents of young girls can empathise with and society recognises this by how fiercely they protect teenage girls than teenage boys. In the book, he discussing Princess Syndrome, labelling how behaviour most in society deem as female orientated and especially teenage female orientated, are influenced by them being protected as princesses and the negative effects of the media around them.

Try reading, before blasting and commenting on a term you dont even understand.

[wim121]

Femi-nazis go one step further though.

You're calling out a very small minority who the press love to publish as it makes good copy

That's why I said "at the more extreme end". I fully acknowledged there are your every day feminists, then the hardcore ones which you call a small minority. Unless we all become telepathic, it is impossible to judge the underlying hatred or views of the populace.

I have a deep hatred of feminists/femi-nazis as they HATE the concept of equality and want everything their own way

Excellent, you've fallen into the trap laid by the media.. see above

I havent at all.

I wilfully ignore media bias and read different papers citing the same article and laugh at the bias between them all. The reason why I say this is from my own experience and others accounts.

What I hate is the way society panders to women,

Any examples here? Or is it just another massive generalisation

In almost every single notion in society. I hereby lay down a challenge, label any aspect and I will tell you how females are favoured. As discussed above, let's start with an obvious couple, then I'll let you think of some more to ask:

Domestic/public violence:
Stereotypes exist that see men as aggressive and violent and women as meek, timid and victims. Many know this isnt the case. I among many others, have seen a couple, with the woman slapping the bloke, just for the police to bundle the man in to a van. The home office believes that only white men will commit violence against others.

In entertainment, women slapping men can be seen as playful by society and even funny if followed by a witty comment. Try slapping a woman, even if you follow it with the joke of saying "this is the wrong sandwich", nobody will find that funny at all. That is societies perception on the genders.

One example is, I am quite skinny, non threatening in looks with no tattoos or anything. One time the OH and I were on our way to a meal in town. Walking down an almost flooded path single file, everything was fine with me in front. Then I stopped to tuck a lace in and she went ahead. We noticed a few car horns and found it weird, then a car did a u-turn and a man jumped out and tried to thump me (but I ducked) and then shouted at the OH asking what I was doing. He wouldn't believe that she was fine until she lost her patience and said in a rather un-eloquent way "the paths ******* flooded, look at it you idiot, I told you I'm fine not that it's any of your business, now **** off".

Things could have turned out every differently but I learnt a lesson all those years ago, regardless of how one is dressed, whether they are smaller in stature than the other person, if you are a man, you will always be deemed by society as a potential rapist/aggressor. Even educational establishments now, tell women that they will be raped or assaulted by one of the men sitting near them with no mention of womens potential crimes. Lunatic MP's like Harriet love to vilify men and people are more than eager to accept it as fact.

A recent anonymous study done in domestic violence studies in the states asked women to recount honestly without the fear of repercussions. In the survey, they found that domestic violence was initiated by women in approximately 70% of all cases. However the arrest statistics show that in all cases, men are charged with domestic violence approximately in 90% of cases. Police forces over there and in the UK, act on the notion that men are the aggressors in DV cases, which simply isnt the case.



Sexual crimes, sexual conduct and sexual harassment in the workplace:
Funnily enough, I was speaking to a retired guy at college tonight (reasons why he left work, then he told me previous cases where he found the employer to be an ass) and he recalled a case where a man and woman were caught screwing the hell out of each other in work. The man got the sack, the woman got moved to another department. Fair treatment? I think not.

This story is far from uncommon. I have been sexually assaulted in the workplace multiple times, once before by having an older overweight woman when I was younger, whom groped my arse even though I told her not to. Upon complaining, I was told by various people that it "wasnt harassment" and "you must have enjoyed it" also "hahaha a man cant be molested". This was in the same place that placed other men on warnings or fired for jokes that caused offence because of sexist overtones.

That is just one account of mine, but at the more extreme end. Cases like this are very common. Countless times when rape cases are in the media and the subject of male rape comes up, a lot of the time I have heard women say "men cant be raped", which I find very offensive as I had a male friend back in my college days that was raped.

Society and the media ignore the fact men can be sexually abused and laughs about it when it happens. When a man is fondled and complains, he is made to feel small and many find it amusing. When the same happens to a woman from a man, the man is an evil rapist that must be chemically castrated an imprisoned. Rather unbalanced standards here.



Dating:
Men are damned if they do, damned if they dont. We have moved on from the days where men worked while women stayed at home. Nowadays, men and women enter the workplace at similar ages.

However men are still expected to be chivalrous and pay for dinner and dates, shower gifts and monetary affection on the woman, with none of these things in return. Women can "empower themselves" and pay their way on occasion but for the most part, the man is then deemed by society as a cheap skate. In many restaurants I have been in, people stare and waiters tut if a woman pulls out her card to pay for the meal.

This is a gross double standard, which some women without morals will take advantage of. Working with women in the past, numerous times I have heard discussions where a woman went out with a man because she was hungry or couldnt afford to pay for a meal at a fancy restaurant. Many women on the bar/club scene go out with little money as they flaunt their sexuality to prostitute free drinks.

Should a man say that their gender isn't fairly treated in modern society they will be subjected to a barrage of abuse and misleading statistics and called a misogynist, sexist pig or any foul mouthed salutation.

Was your job application to the local lap dancing bar turned down or something?
Give me a sensible example of where men are going to find the going difficult in this country because they are a man.

Your snide little vitriolic statement aside, look above. If you have any other examples, list them and I will tell you how men are disadvantaged.

The only real bit of discrimination against men that goes on is in the family courts, this is slowly changing though as the system is starting to wakeup to the fact that fathers can be just as responsible of a parent as the mother.

Hahahaha you really are ignorant.

The law that the mother is the better caregiver has been law since 1860 my dear chum. Courts still favour women to this day. I know a professional man divorced this year, he was denied any custody, even though he is responsible and works. She got full custody even though she has a drink and elastic in her knickers problem.

Society is not getting less sexist against men, it is getting more so and has been doing since the big swing in sexual social influences and criminalisation kick-started in the 70's.


I find it quite shocking how a man can sell out his own gender like you do, but I see this and much worse in society every day. Men have systematically been pussy-whipped and dont question the inequality in the most basic social premises. Women know the majority dont question this and use that to their advantage. Be careful, as you will find that ignorance leaves you on the back heel.

[Diver]

Look at the length of those posts

Somebody needs a girlfriend/wife/life/lobotomy

[wim121]

Look at the length of those posts

Somebody needs a girlfriend/wife/life/lobotomy

Hahahahaha

I was just responding to each counter point.

I thought my previous posts were explicit enough, obviously not, judging by others comments. I have a full life and have a partner thanks.

[Diver]

Hahahahaha

I was just responding to each counter point.

I thought my previous posts were explicit enough, obviously not, judging by others comments. I have a full life and have a partner thanks.

Does she see you often

Good posts by the way

[d000hg]

I couldn't be bothered to read all this guff but did I catch someone saying feminists want to murder and imprison all men?

[d000hg]

Hahahahaha

I was just responding to each counter point.

I thought my previous posts were explicit enough, obviously not, judging by others comments. I have a full life and have a partner thanks.

Yes but your partner is a man so it doesn't count.

[wim121]

I couldn't be bothered to read all this guff but did I catch someone saying feminists want to murder and imprison all men?

Extreme feminsists, aka femi-nazis do have such a hatred of men that they do want that. There are women that will falsify rape claims and aggressively pursue any way to demean men around them.

Yes but your partner is a man so it doesn't count.

No she isnt.

If only I was gay, life would be a hell of a lot simpler. Alas Im not in any way.

[SupremeSpod]

1: That isnt even from this thread

2: The thread it is from is correct. It is not a sweeping generalisation at all. If you work for the army or certain intelligence branches, you should not counter orders given. Working in many MOD positions does not require a high IQ, it requires discipline. That is not a generalisation at all, it is a cold hard fact. If you ever go in the forces and answer back with that mouth to a sergeant, he'll have you running laps at the very least. It is the same as an MI5 or MI6 operative, they are following orders on what to do and not being asked what to think, whether the subject deserves to be monitored, etc.

If you want to work for the government in many different roles, you have to learn to keep your mouth shut. A plain simple fact.




Next .............

Firstly I was in the forces, secondly the sweeping generalisation was "Many from the forces will know this to be true. You shouldnt be countering your orders with a better plan, you shut up and do as you're told."

If I were you I'd stick to tutting at the tartish behavior displayed by that harlot Carol Vorderman and her coven on "Loose Women". More your level.