Scotland warned it could lose the pound and be forced to join Euro

[DodgyAgent]

Read his keynote speech and tell me where this anti-English rhetoric is coming from?

Alex Salmond delivers keynote speech | Scottish National Party

I do like this line though:

I prefer this one more

THE DAYS OF SCOTTISH POLITICIANS TELLING ENGLAND WHAT TO DO OR WHAT TO THINK ARE OVER. THE ENGLSH PEOPLE WILL SET THE AGENDA FOR THE FUTURE.

I think we need to do the deal here on CUK.

I propose, you pay your fair share of the debt and take your fair share of responsibility for the banking crisis which lets be honest happened under the watch of two Scottish chancellors, who then agreed to bale out a scottish bank that went bust under a Scottish CEO. We are not asking any more than you pay a share according to the size of your population.

We'll take back our Nuclear subs and you can have 90% of the OIL.

You create you own national bank and do what you like with your currency.

Most important of all you can have back your thieving incompetent politicians and keep your noses out of our trough.

I think you will find it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Scotland (poulation 5 million) wields far more influence over the English (population 60 million) than it should

Fair?

We need to capitalise the value of the deal and charge 5% - I am happy with a 50:50 split on this.

[DodgyAgent]

You do realise that HBOS was a merger between the Halifax and the Bank of Scotland? To call it a Scottish bank is wrong, it is quite clearly a British bank.

A.

As in "Andy Murray being British until he loses" ?

[TestMangler]

You do realise that HBOS was a merger between the Halifax and the Bank of Scotland? To call it a Scottish bank is wrong, it is quite clearly a British bank.

And the profile of the two at the top as it crashed and burned:

Andy Hornby and James Crosby, both English. However, unlike you I will look past the blinkers and not say it was an English problem. It was a City of London problem though.

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To be more precise, it was a takeover of BOS by Halifax. All retail customers were migrated to halifax banking systems, BOS (and IBM) staff were TUPE'd and business policy going forward was strictly Halifax.

As Max Boyce would say, I know, cause I was there.

[AtW]

I propose, you pay your fair share of the debt and take your fair share of responsibility for the banking crisis which lets be honest happened under the watch of two Scottish chancellors, who then agreed to bale out a scottish bank that went bust under a Scottish CEO.

Would you apply the same approach to failures made under English PMs, CEOs etc?

[Incognito]

And whats your prediction Incognito ? how do you think it will go
assuming its a yes / no question

I don't know, if you'd asked me five years ago I'd say it'd be a resounding No. The times though they are a changing. The battleground is the West (i.e. Glasgow). Follow the M8 to Edinburgh and that is the heartland of the No vote.

If we get the 3 question referendum and allow the kids to vote then I feel the Yes vote will win.

That there will be the problem though, Westminster won't accept it if we have 3 questions and the kids voting.

What will only help the Yes vote though is the Tories getting involved and trying to dictate the question. That and the prejudice that will only get stronger come closer to the vote.

You see we have an argument that it is our Oil, the counter argument is that we receive more per head from the coffers.

We have the hard evidence that the majority of the North Sea reserves are in Scottish waters. The counter argument refuse to include any income from the North Sea into their calculation. Lies, lies and more damn lies.

[Incognito]

Would you apply the same approach to failures made under English PMs, CEOs etc?

Of course he wouldn't, it doesn't fit with his blinkered attitude you silly boy.

[vetran]

The debt was generated using systems put in place by Westminster. Clearly not many people in the north believe in those systems.

Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes Brownstuff - is it a 'Scottish Thing'?

When one reporter asked why he had let banks get out of control, Mr Brown leaned towards him and said: ‘You’re saying I got it wrong? But I didn’t. The same problems have happened all over the world and our regulations have been better than anyone else’s.

‘Get in the real world. People are saying it is my fault and that I caused the recession. They are wrong. It is not my fault.

‘It did not start in Britain, it started in America. We have had low interest rates and low inflation. Every other recession in Britain has been created by high interest rates and high inflation. That has not happened under me.’

apparently Scotland is/isn't bust:

Study undermines economic case for Scottish independence, opponents claim | Politics | guardian.co.uk

I must admit it might be interesting to see how they get on if they do get independence.

But I suspect they may struggle and plunder the Oil until they are bust.

It would be sad to see the union dissolve but it must be done fairly, they get their fair share of debts and a clean break.

I think most people in England fear it will be more like a divorce the Scots will get the house and maintenance, we carry on paying the mortgage and they will complain bitterly about how bad they were treated.

i.e. they will get the Oil, a Debt free RBS & HBOS and a Barnett formula subsidy,we will get messed about on the border, Scottish MPs will be allowed at Westminster and English ownership of Scottish property will be outlawed.

If they succeed it might spur England on so it might be worth it.

[Freamon]

You can have your say on your country leaving the UK. You just have to get your government to hold a referendum. It is not for the Scottish Government to hold a referendum for the English on their participation in the union.

Anyone can hold a referendum any time that they like, but only the UK Government (not the Scottish government) has the legal authority to remove Scotland from the UK.

[AtW]

Heid Meinister o Scotland Alex Salmond has a chance to go in history as the man who brought freedom to Scotland.

He can be the chosen one to do just that...

[AtW]

Anyone can hold a referendum any time that they like, but only the UK Government (not the Scottish government) has the legal authority to remove Scotland from the UK.

And what if China recognises Scottish independence and starts buying oil directly from them paying in yuans as well as providing a "security" force to defend liberty of local population?