Computer Science graduates have the highest unemployment rate

[Joeman]

You must be reading a different thread, this one is pretty tame by normal standards. You are confusing people disagreeing with you, with people ganging up on you.

I'll even take back calling you a knob, in favour of saying that I think you were being one in those particular posts... i.e. I think your opinion is badly formed. i.e. you aren't stupid, but you were saying stupid things.

Wow, a withdrawn Knob!! i must be special...
so now youve taken the time to read the posts, how exactly was what i was saying stupid?? do explain...

[Old Greg]

Wow, a withdrawn Knob!! i must be special...
so now youve taken the time to read the posts, how exactly was what i was saying stupid?? do explain...

What are you getting out of this?

[eek]

What are you getting out of this?

Stress relief. To be honest ing would be a better plan.

[Joeman]

What are you getting out of this?

Nothing.. you??

[Incognito]

I cant actually be arsed with this thread anymore.. look back at the abuse you guys have given me all because i expressed a simple opinion that CompSci undergrads arent tought the fundamental basics of how a computer works.

I'm sure they can work out how to get a bloody spell checker to work though. I'm getting a headache just trying to read your rants.

[Joeman]

I'm sure they can work out how to get a bloody spell checker to work though. I'm getting a headache just trying to read your rants.

Oh look the Typo Police have arrived... Whats wrong? - poor little CompSci grad couldn't get a real job so you decided to join the typo police??
I bet business is booming if you're posting at 01:20am, and bet you're commanding a great day rate trawling the web spell checking other peoples posts... Now crawl back into your hole and come back when you have something useful to contribute to the thread... Until then, if all you have to offer is the age old comeback of "you made a typo", you're wasting your time... run along now old chap...

[Old Greg]

Nothing.. you??

I find a bit of gentle banter is a pleasant way to pass the time while I'm on the train.

Maybe you should lighten up a bit and you might find it a bit more enjoyable.

[DodgyAgent]

You could say that about any numerate degree these days. I would expect anyone who has a good physics or maths degree to be able to pick up programming in a modern language without too much hassle.

The trouble is that from an academic perspective computing crosses a lot of boundaries, at a lot of older universities computer science will have started out as something the mathematics department did and would probably have a very theoretical slant to it, whereas day to day in industry and business it has more in common with engineering. I think for in depth knowledge of skills more immediately applicable to the workplace one might want to look at a "software engineering" or "computing" degree.

I'd agree that comp sci grads ought to have some knowledge of the low level workings of a modern computer, I would have though that stuff like the hardware/software interface, OS design and compiler design would be at least elective courses, but I don't really think that web coding skills that will be out of date in a few years ought to be an end in themselves.

Computer science degrees have little recognition in the commercial world. I do not see why anyone with strong maths or physics would do anything other than an engineering degree. Computer science is a "soft" degree unless you are going to go into computing and be a bit of a geek. Electrical/mechanical/civil Engineering degrees are extremely difficult and this is recognised by employers. Many senior executives in FTSE 100 companies are Engineering graduates, I doubt you will find anyone with a computer science degree working outside of IT.

[doodab]

Employers dont bother to look for applicants who could learn to do what they want. They don't want the hassle of actually training people, having apprentices and spending time and money developing people.
That is the problem.

WPS.

I was lucky that my first contract was 4 years spent working for an old school IT guy who was happy to give me stuff I didn't already know about and let me figure it out.

[doodab]

If you're happy knowing only high level stuff, then go ahead, knock yourself out, but personally for me, if i spend all day operating a machine, i like to ensure i know as much as possible about how its working... you may not share that opinion, but does that really justify the names and abuse you've been hurling my way??

I am inclined to agree with you. I think it's useful to have at least some knowledge of the algorithms and data structures that calling sort() on your generic collections is likely to employ as well.