ID Cards: sh1ts and giggles

[threaded]

For a really good laugh, Mr Blair described the LSE figures as wild and vowed that "no government is going to introduce ID cards if it is going to cost hundreds of pounds for people - that would be ridiculous".

Iidentity Report

So why the fsck is he still going forward with it?

[ChicoLondon]

317 pages!!!!

There was an overwhelming view expressed by stakeholders involved in this Report that
the proposals are too complex, technically unsafe, overly prescriptive and lack a
foundation of public trust and confidence.

Thats says it all really.

[wendigo100]

This should be a no brainer

The question is this.

Would you trust anyone, let alone a member of HMG or any IT system belonging to HMG, with the accuracy, security and proper use of an audit trail of your life?

Mr Blair is arguing against 14 professors and 60 people worldwide with experience of identity card schemes.

[dazza12]

Re: This should be a no brainer

My money is on EDS getting the contract.

After all they've proved that only they can handle a government project of this size, delivering working results within budget......

[Lucifer Box]

Re: This should be a no brainer

Mr Blair is arguing against 14 professors and 60 people worldwide with experience of identity card schemes

Apparently the counter argument by HMG is that the difference between HMG's figures and the LSE's figures was money "that was going to be spent anyway" [on biometric passports]. Conveniently forgetting that you don't have to have a passport.

[ZitMeister]

Re: A surveillance society

The plastic card is only one small part of a much larger scheme. The government is planning to establish a vast, complex and far-reaching system that will involve an unprecedented use of personal information.

Clause 1 and Schedule 1 of the Bill sets out more than fifty categories of information required for the register (subject to change by regulation):

1.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Name
2.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Other previous names or aliases;
3.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Date and place of birth and, if the person has died, the date of death;
4.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Address
5.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Previous addresses in the United Kingdom and elsewhere;
6.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Times of residency at different places in the United Kingdom or elsewhere;
7.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Current residential status;
8.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Residential statuses previously held;
9.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Information about numbers allocated to the applicant for identification purposes and about the documents to which they relate;
10.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Information about occasions on which recorded information in the Register has been provided to any person;
11.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Information recorded in the Register on request.
12.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Photograph
13.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Fingerprints
14.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp “Other” biometrics (iris recognition);
15.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Signature
16.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Nationality;
17.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Entitlement to remain in the United Kingdom; and
18.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Where entitlement derives from a grant of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom, the terms and conditions of that leave.
19.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp National Identity Registration Number;
20.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The number of any ID card that has been issued;
21.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp National Insurance number;
22.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The number of any relevant immigration document;
23.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The number of any United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (c. 77)) that has been issued;
24.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The number of any passport issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or by or on behalf of an international organisation;
25.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The number of any document that can be used (in some or all circumstances) instead of a passport;
26.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The number of any identity card issued by the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom;
27.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Any reference number allocated by the Secretary of State in connection with an application made for permission to enter or to remain in the United Kingdom;
28.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The number of any work permit (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971);
29.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Any driver number connected to a driving licence;
30.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The number of any designated document which is held by the applicant that is a document the number of which does not fall within any of the preceding sub-paragraphs;
31.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The date of expiry or period of validity of a document the number of which is recorded by virtue of this paragraph.
32.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The date of every application for registration;
33.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The date of every application for a modification of the contents of his entry;
34.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The date of every application confirming the contents of his entry (with or without changes);
35.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The reason for any omission from the information recorded in his entry;
36.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars (in addition to its number) of every ID card issued;
37.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Whether each such card is in force and, if not, why not;
38.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars of every person who has countersigned an application for an ID card or a designated document;
39.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars of every notification given by the applicant for the purposes of regulations under section 13(1) (lost, stolen and damaged ID cards etc.);
40.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars of every requirement by the Secretary of State for the individual to surrender an ID card issued to the applicant.
41.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The information provided in connection with every application to be entered in the Register, for a modification of the contents of entry in the Register or for the issue of an ID card;
42.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Information provided in connection with every application confirming entry in the Register (with or without change;
43.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars of the steps taken, in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b) or otherwise, for identifying the applicant or for verifying the information provided in connection with the application;
44.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars of any other steps taken or information obtained (otherwise than in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b)) for ensuring that there is a complete, up-to-date and accurate entry about that individual in the Register;
45.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars of every notification given by that individual for the purposes of section 12.
46.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp A personal identification number to be used for facilitating the making of applications for information recorded in his entry, and for facilitating the provision of the information;
47.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp A password or other code to be used for that purpose or particulars of a method of generating such a password or code;
48.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Questions and answers to be used for identifying a person seeking to make such an application or to apply for or to make a modification of that entry.
49.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars of every occasion on which information contained in the individual’s entry has been provided to a person;
50.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Particulars of every person to whom such information has been provided on such an occasion;
51.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Other particulars, in relation to each such occasion, of the provision of the information.

The world according to Blair ( thats Eric not Tony)

[PRC1964]

Re: A surveillance society

ZitM,

'kin hell, anyone would think we lived in a police state.



oops.




I'll get my coat.

[SupremeSpod]

Re: A surveillance society

I'll get my coat.

You won't need it, you won't be in the cell for long......

[TonyEnglish]

Re: A surveillance society

Ehat is the point of

"A personal identification number to be used for facilitating the making of applications for information recorded in his entry, and for facilitating the provision of the information;
47. A password or other code to be used for that purpose or particulars of a method of generating such a password or code;
48. Questions and answers to be used for identifying a person seeking to make such an application or to apply for or to make a modification of that entry"

Surely this info should be authenticated at the back end rather than be held on the card itself. So somebody susses out how to crack the card and they instantly have access to the pin and security questions/answers. This is just like scribbling your pin on your switch card.

[Lucifer Box]

Re: A surveillance society

Saw Charles Clarke laying out the proposals in the House earlier on. Someone did ask him if it was really necessary to have so many categories of information and he just said "yes".

His main thrust was that all this information is out there anyway and all he is proposing to do is to gather it altogether in one place in order to ensure that it can be more easily protected from international organised crime (hey, don't bash me, that's the nonsense he was spouting). He assured the House that the existing legal framework was more than adequate to ensure your data was being safely looked after and that your privacy would not be intruded upon.

It was a good "nothing controversial here" performance and half the opposition benches seemed to be nodding it along as well.