Huhne plans 32,000 more wind turbines

[scooterscot]

Once again, you've failed to grasp the concept that is power management: wind technology does not fit into how the National Grid operates.

Why do you keep parroting the same nonsense?

All you see is a windmill turning and say it's "free energy" despite the upfront capex and mismatch into a country's energy requirements.

What you don't see is penetration into the grid and the requirement for backup fossil fuel and you disregard the existence of peaking power and the requirement for guaranteed power supplies at a required time, which wind will never achieve.

We've discussed this before and yet you keep on with the same MSM driven meme and the same bankrupt ideology.

I'll say it again for the hard of understanding: wind technology, despite its touchy feeling making me feel good connotation, does not fit in with real world operations of providing power to a nation.

If we constantly attempt to merge science with economics progress shall never be made.

I'm fully aware of country's energy requirements but why on earth should the generation of supply be tailored to suit use? Only the technologically inept would make such a suggestion, which the UK is fast becoming in this game.

If A does not lead straight to B, without any system in-between, it's a failed concept and idea. Honestly I see red at this shortsightedness.

We harvest energy from the wind, surely we can store it we just can't be bothered investigating how. Pump water to the top of cumbria with excess supply from the wind farms then let it loose when demand is high. Generate hydrogen from electrolysis of water which is converted back using fuel cells generating heat as well as electricity.

If we fully adopt these ideas we'd probably actually need less turbines than the article advertises.

[doodab]

If we constantly attempt to merge science with economics progress shall never be made.

I'm fully aware of country's energy requirements but why on earth should the generation of supply be tailored to suit use? Only the technologically inept would make such a suggestion, which the UK is fast becoming in this game.

If A does not lead straight to B, without any system in-between, it's a failed concept and idea. Honestly I see red at this shortsightedness.

We harvest energy from the wind, surely we can store it we just can't be bothered investigating how. Pump water to the top of cumbria with excess supply from the wind farms then let it loose when demand is high. Generate hydrogen from electrolysis of water which is converted back using fuel cells generating heat as well as electricity.

If we fully adopt these ideas we'd probably actually need less turbines than the article advertises.

You need to read the book "global warming without the hot air", in which this stuff is discussed in depth along with various calculations showing what will work and what not. Put simply, pumped water storage on the scale required isn't feasible. I don't think it mentions hydrogen electrolysis but I would expect this to considerably reduce efficiency of the overall process (a fuel cell is perhaps 60% efficient) which would mean we need more turbines, not less, and also be fairly difficult to store.

[scooterscot]

(a fuel cell is perhaps 60% efficient) which would mean we need more turbines, not less, and also be fairly difficult to store.

This is the technological intellect barrier I'm on about. Fuel cells are 100% efficient.

60% generates electricity

40% generates heat - think of an grannies that might like such a thing?

Again if A does not lead to B without any system in-between the idea is flawed. How did this great engineering society of ours become so limp and lacklustre?

[DodgyAgent]

This is the technological intellect barrier I'm on about. Fuel cells are 100% efficient.

60% generates electricity

40% generates heat - think of an grannies that might like such a thing?

Again if A does not lead to B without any system in-between the idea is flawed. How did this great engineering society of ours becomes so limp and lacklustre?

By having to feed the entitlement culture of the UK - Where high taxes, health & Safety, working laws and bloated public services have killed off the climate that encourages innovation

[scooterscot]

You need to read the book "global warming without the hot air", i

Oh and another thing. I don't really care for this global warming malarkey, the earth has heated up in the past I'm sure it shall again. The question is our ability to adapt to the changing conditions.

What infuriates me wrt global warming science is:

1) Politicians debasing good science by using flawed concepts to harm fantastic engineering projects.

2) Politicians dreaming up new taxes based on inevitable change we have little control over.


PS: It's snowing!! May have to abandon the car this evening if this keeps up.

[DodgyAgent]

Oh and another thing. I don't really care for this global warming malarkey, the earth has heated up in the past I'm sure it shall again. The question is our ability to adapt to the changing conditions.

What infuriates me wrt global warming science is:

1) Politicians debasing good science by using flawed concepts to harm fantastic engineering projects.

2) Politicians dreaming up new taxes based on inevitable change we have little control over.


PS: It's snowing!! May have to abandon the car this evening if this keeps up.

[BlasterBates]

It is now pretty clear the climate is about to cool, and there's going to be a lot of egg on a lot of faces. You can already see come climate scientists have now climbed on the fence to hedge their bets.

[EternalOptimist]

Consistant with ?

thats the most non-scientific gibberish.

scientific study looks for cause and effect, not correllations

face it pj, you guys are anti-science. Scepticism is at the heart of science

[GreenLabel]

“Concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have reached new highs. They are very rapidly approaching levels consistent with a 2-2.4 degree Centigrade rise in average global temperatures which scientists believe could trigger far reaching and irreversible changes in our Earth, biosphere and oceans,”

What will be the excuses used when this increase fails to materialise?

[BlasterBates]

Yes indeed:

Scientist says there is a slight 30 year cooling trend in Antarctica