Cameron to be eaten for breakfast?

[sasguru]

Cameron should tell her to fook orf.
Let them apply Tobin tax to Frankfurt and Paris, all the business will come to London. That's Stage 1 of the master plan.
Stage 2 is to lead a co-ordinated blitz to do business in the emerging economies.
Even if the Europeans fix their current problems, population demographics mean that Europe will not be a big or dynamic market in the near future.
We need to face the world as we did for most of the centuries before the 20th.

[bobspud]

Is it reasonable to say that the Germans have managed to achieve what Hitler failed to? Before long the Germans will be controlling the economies of Europe without having any democratic mandate. so when the French, the Greeks, The Italians refuse to pay higher taxes to support German spending targets will the storm troopers march into Athens, Paris and Madrid?

At least the British armed services have been busy practising for war over the past 60 years.

+1

I cannot think of a worse dishonour to the veterans that perished in the last century to prevent a german superstate, than this tragic mess.

[Arturo Bassick]

Is it reasonable to say that the Germans have managed to achieve what Hitler failed to? Before long the Germans will be controlling the economies of Europe without having any democratic mandate. so when the French, the Greeks, The Italians refuse to pay higher taxes to support German spending targets will the storm troopers march into Athens, Paris and Madrid?

At least the British armed services have been busy practising for war over the past 60 years.

I think comments like this are uncalled for and unhelpful. I do not think Germany wants to be running Europe, it is just that they are the country in the best position and with a great deal to lose unless they do.

Having said that there are parallels. The French have surrendered and are doing nothing to oppose the Germans. The Italians have fallen into line behind them. The Greeks have been invaded but with a strong resistance movement. The Brits are standing against them though they have made it clear that the Brits are seen as strong allies. Merkel just needs a dodgy haircut and a comedy moustache .

[doodab]

The days of national sovereignty are numbered. Globalisation is too powerful and too entrenched to be stopped. If it isn't the Germans then it will be the IMF, or the banking system.

[BlasterBates]

Hang on, isn't it reasonable having got yourself in debt for the country who is expected to bail you out to put some terms and conditions?

So the UK is busy complaining about Germany bossing round Greece and Italy; so why doesn't the UK step in and open it's cheque book then?

Typical sit on the sidelines tight fisted and do nothing but complain about the one who's actually keeping the whole thing afloat.

Nobody is being forced to do anything but as is typical of someone who sponges off you, they're always ungrateful when they have to pay it back.

[Arturo Bassick]

The days of national sovereignty are numbered. Globalisation is too powerful and too entrenched to be stopped. If it isn't the Germans then it will be the IMF, or the banking system.

The only way Europe can truly work is if National Sovereignty is given up. What ever to politicians say they are all representing national interests and not a European goal. While the mind set remains with the citizens that their national interests should come first then they will never be European. A commitment has to be made one way or the other.

[sasguru]

Nobody is being forced to do anything but as is typical of someone who sponges off you, they're always ungrateful when they have to pay it back.

As usual you're missing the point spectacularly.
The Greeks and Italians are being forced to accept unelected representatives to govern them. They should have been given the choice via referenda/elections.
The cabinet of Italy is now totally comprised of unelected ministers.

HTH, BIDI.

[BlasterBates]

The only way Europe can truly work is if National Sovereignty is given up. What ever to politicians say they are all representing national interests and not a European goal. While the mind set remains with the citizens that their national interests should come first then they will never be European. A commitment has to be made one way or the other.

Well in terms of giving up soverignty that is true to the extent that countries won't be allowed to run up high levels of debt, but is the right to drive your country into financial ruin something that one would feel pasionately about defending.

[BlasterBates]

As usual you're missing the point spectacularly.
The Greeks and Italians are being forced to accept unelected representatives to govern them. They should have been given the choice via referenda/elections.
The cabinet of Italy is now totally comprised of unelected ministers.

HTH, BIDI.

The Italian and Greek governments took that decision. They could equally as well just left the Eurozone.

All the Germans (and French) are saying is "we'll give you money if you get your debts down, otherwise feel free to leave, bye bye".

Not quite sure how you interpret this as forcing anyone.

[Arturo Bassick]

Well in terms of giving up soverignty that is true to the extent that countries won't be allowed to run up high levels of debt, but is the right to drive your country into financial ruin something that one would feel pasionately about defending.

It is precisely because national sovereignty exists that nations are able charge headlong into ruin. If all EU nations were governed centrally then the incredible profligacy of the ruined nations would not even could not have happened, unless of course the whole EU headed down the same route.