Time for a new British (or English) identity

[Le Rosbif]

I don't know if you've realised it, but Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany and the low countries have perfectly serviceable ports and airports that can be used for completely bypassing France, thereby allowing them to continue trading freely without any of the extra costs (time waiting at ports and borders) associated with such border controls. Logistic chains in Europe are now designed with Schengen in mind; if you want border controls it'll cost a lot of money and of course create public sector jobs at the cost of private sector productivity. Silly idea, give up on it.

Does not Japan have border control?
Are Spain and Italy economically healthy?
Were there not border controls before the Eurozone?
If your neighbourgh is a lunatic and decides to keep his door and windows open will you do the same?

[Le Rosbif]

What, like London, Amsterdam and New York?

London suburb put under ‘Sharia law’ | The Sun |Features

[Mich the Tester]

Does not Japan have border control?
Are Spain and Italy economically healthy?
Where there not border controls before the Eurozone?
If your neighbourgh is a lunatic and decides to keep his door and windows open will you do the same?

Yes, Japan has border control; all logistics around shipments to and from Japan make allowance for this. Yes, there were border controls before the Eurozone, but since the Schengen agreement European businesses have adjusted to a new situation with faster, cheaper international transport and exchange of people, goods and services; turning the clock back would destroy those cost advantages and thereby cede more economic ground to competitors in China, India and other countries whose wage costs are lower.

Your comparison with 'neighbours' is actually a bit lunatic, but if it's about securing your own borders, bear the costs yourself; those costs will be quite high.

[Le Rosbif]

So those countries will impose protectionism on your goods in turn.
End of trade with world.
France reverts back to an impoverished, "culturally homogenous" peasantry.
You know that might just work

Our commercial balance has not improved since we've opened the custom - quite the opposite.
Opening the economical borders have only resulted in making France open-bar, encouraging de-instrualization via massive delocalization.

We have 5 millions + unemployed people they can do shoes and T-shirts too.

We don't need tulip chinese screwdrivers that break whenever one try to unscrew a power socket either.

[sasguru]

London suburb put under ‘Sharia law’ | The Sun |Features

Is that where you get your 2nd hand opinions?
So some loons "declare Sharia" and everyone ignores them. Its the British way.

[Le Rosbif]

Yes, Japan has border control; all logistics around shipments to and from Japan make allowance for this. Yes, there were border controls before the Eurozone, but since the Schengen agreement European businesses have adjusted to a new situation with faster, cheaper international transport and exchange of people, goods and services; turning the clock back would destroy those cost advantages and thereby cede more economic ground to competitors in China, India and other countries whose wage costs are lower.

Your comparison with 'neighbours' is actually a bit lunatic, but if it's about securing your own borders, bear the costs yourself; those costs will be quite high.

Who said we would not bear the cost ourserlves?

[Mich the Tester]

London suburb put under ‘Sharia law’ | The Sun |Features

Yep, a loon put up some posters saying something stupid. Loons do that kind of thing; Britain doesn't lock up loons unless they're a direct danger to other people or themselves; it has what's called ' care in the community'. It works most of the time, but not always. Meanwhile, Waltham Forest remains under British legislation, and judging by the statements of local residents that's unlikely to change any time soon;

Ghaffar Hussain of Quilliam, a counter-extremism and pro-democracy think-tank, said: "Muslims Against Crusades are a lunatic fringe of troublemakers not even taken seriously by genuine extremists, let alone ordinary Muslims who abhor their rhetoric and tactics and find them an embarrassment."

Council leader Chris Robbins said: "People shouldn't get the wrong idea about our borough because a handful of small-minded idiots decided to deface our streets with ridiculous posters."

Mohammed Ilyas, general secretary at Waltham Forest mosque, said: "We totally condemn these kinds of views and if someone came in here preaching that kind of message we would throw them out."

Mum-of-two Valerie Houghton, 23, insisted: "They can declare Sharia law but I'm going to wear what I want and have a glass of wine when I want one.

"I believe in live and let live but won't be told what to do."

Doesn't look much like Taliban era Kabul to me.

[sasguru]

Our commercial balance has not improved since we've opened the custom - quite the opposite.
Opening the economical borders have only resulted in making France open-bar, encouraging de-instrualization via massive delocalization.

We have 5 millions + unemployed people they can do shoes and T-shirts too.

We don't need tulip chinese screwdrivers that break whenever one try to unscrew a power socket either.

Can you name me one instance in history where protectionism brought prosperity?

[Mich the Tester]

Who said we would not bear the cost ourserlves?

Nobody; just be aware of how high they will be. I would suggest you visit the boardroom of Renault, or for that matter, elf, Peugeot or any other big French employer and explain your ideas to them

I'd give it 2 minutes before you're laughed out of the room.

[sasguru]

I'd give it 2 minutes before you're laughed out of the room.

He's probably used to that though. Looks like a social misfit to me.