Hillsborough

[BlasterBates]

Are we sure the Liverpool fans were behaving? The Heysel Stadium disaster was around that time. Even though people had been killed in that incident, they continued the match because they were scared of more rioting.

I think at that time stadiums weren't buit to cope with the level of violence that was normal at football matches. I could imagine it would be almost impossible for the police to control crowds like that.

[PAH]

I think at that time stadiums weren't buit to cope with the level of violence that was normal at football matches. I could imagine it would be almost impossible for the police to control crowds like that.

There is a long history of football hooliganism prior to 1989, often paired with mobs of ticketless fans forcing their way into stadiums having gone to the game primarily for the aggro with rival 'firms'.

The police and groundsmen should have been prepared for this happening (a mob turning up trying to get entry) regardless of cause (ticketless and/or late arriving) as it's happened at many matches both home and abroad since at least the early 70s.

[Churchill]

There is a long history of football hooliganism prior to 1989, often paired with mobs of ticketless fans forcing their way into stadiums having gone to the game primarily for the aggro with rival 'firms'.

The police and groundsmen should have been prepared for this happening (a mob turning up trying to get entry) regardless of cause (ticketless and/or late arriving) as it's happened at many matches both home and abroad since at least the early 70s.

That post stinks of "Let's blame someone else!".

[BlasterBates]

There is a long history of football hooliganism prior to 1989, often paired with mobs of ticketless fans forcing their way into stadiums having gone to the game primarily for the aggro with rival 'firms'.

The police and groundsmen should have been prepared for this happening (a mob turning up trying to get entry) regardless of cause (ticketless and/or late arriving) as it's happened at many matches both home and abroad since at least the early 70s.

The point here is there is a mob, ok one can lay blame at the ground for not controlling the crowd properly, but in the end if there wasn't an unruly mob it wouldn't have happened.

If they hadn't opened the gates supporters would have been crushed outside. The police were between a rock and a hard place. If they hadn't opened the gates they would have been criticised for not opening them.

Difficult to know this will happen when it hasn't happened before.

The police had learned from the hooliganism, they seggregated the fans and this problem was not caused by fighting fans.

If there hadn't been roadworks on the M62 it probably wouldn't have happened.

[Doggy Styles]

Someone is in denial here.

The tragedy was very unlikely to have happened if those thousands of ticketless fans had not turned up in order to blag their way into the game.

Like they'd done before, and have done since.

[BoredBloke]

It will all come out with the release of the papers.

No it won't because if it does not show what the families want they will simply claim that not all the details have been released and that there is some kind of cover up

Hillsbourgh was an accident waiting to happpen and it's unfair to say it was the fault of just the fans/police etc - an old and inadequate stadium dealing with too many supporters, many of whom should not ahve been there. Each party have to take a portion of the blame. The police handled the incident badly, but their actions in opening the exit were possibly done for the right reasons with a very wrong outcome. I doubt very much had the coppers the benefit of hindsight then the gates would not have been opened and people would be complaining about people beng crushed to death outside the ground. However, by the same token, had the Liverpool fans not been intent on steaming the ground then the situation would not have arose. Both parties played their part in the disaster and both should hold their hands up and admit it. And this is why I don't like this constantly being dragged up - it's like the Liverpool fands want to absolve themselvess of any part in this - it wasn't the police pushing!! As hard as it is to take, some Liverpool fans have to take some responsibility for the fact that they did play a part in the deaths of 96 of their fellow supporters. Possibily as much as the police