RIP Steve Jobs

[TimCaprica]

iOS5

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this but you seem to be able to download iOS5 from here: Install The Release Build Of iOS 5 Right Now [News]

I installed it over the weekend and nothing bad has happened yet. Though nothing good has happened either.

@TimCaprica

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Don't disagree with any of that, but baulk at the innovator tags, etc. Just making existing stuff look nice.

That is innovation. The UI on iPod and their touch devices were innovations in user experience, Air is an innovation in portability.

Given that the other guys are chasing Apple for all they're worth, it seems pretty clear cut they have innovated and redefined the industry...

Are you a software techy kind of person Zoiderman? As one myself, I recognise that techies often fail to realise how important the "polish" is in overall product success. This is most evident in open-source apps which have wonderful functionality but are a nightmare to learn. Putting an old concept in a wonderful new presentation cannot be underestimated.

[Zoiderman]

That is innovation. The UI on iPod and their touch devices were innovations in user experience, Air is an innovation in portability.

Given that the other guys are chasing Apple for all they're worth, it seems pretty clear cut they have innovated and redefined the industry...

Are you a software techy kind of person Zoiderman? As one myself, I recognise that techies often fail to realise how important the "polish" is in overall product success. This is most evident in open-source apps which have wonderful functionality but are a nightmare to learn. Putting an old concept in a wonderful new presentation cannot be underestimated.

Funny enough, I don't get involved in the polish, more designing processes and processing, so feel the polish part is a weakness maybe. I just don't find it innovative, I don't doubt it is slick, as it is, and I am impressed with the iPad. But some out there, look better, imo. I had a Gen I iPod, and liked it a lot, but there was stuff out there the match of it, but not as 'cool'. Marketing is a very, very important tool in any products market position, obviously. In Apple I guess I have railed against that part of the machine.