Existing MOT (valid till Sept end) & Failed new MOT ..!!

[Sockpuppet]

So sockpuppet you need to wind your neck in and stop talking tulip.

No the question was....my car has failed an MOT can I still drive it.

The answer is "Yes" you can as it still has an MOT - the question was not "my car's a death trap can I take it on the public road and drive into a walking bus of primary school children". Driving a car with dangerous faults is another question. Specifically when you're answer started telling him "it's all computerised" - you implied that this failure will look up on the PNC. There are very strict rules about garages not being allowed to tell the police you're removing a car be it in a dangerous condition or not from them for repair.

Also MOTs are subjective - the tester is the one who decides if they pass or fail - lots of the parts of its are based on "excessive" or "substantial". Take it to another MOT tester and it'll probably pass. This doens't suddenly change the car from being unroadworty to being the safest thing on four wheels.

If you really believe that "It won't be roadworthy" just because it doesn't have an MOT then you are wrong. The MOT and being roadworthy are different things and have different criteria. For example the MOT emissions are based on a specific quantity of part per million. To get a ticket from the police they and the vehicle examiners base it on "excessive smoke" these are not the same thing.

A car can fail an MOT because a seatbelt doesn't retract, not having the postcode of where made your number plate on it....that's an MOT failure, the ABS doesn't work effectively giving you standard brakes it'll fail (but if you remove the ABS system giving you standard brakes it'll pass). A motorbike can fail an MOT for not having pillion foot pegs if its classified as a two seater - even if you never intend to take passengers they still have to be there.

None of these faults will get you a driving a vehicle in an un-roadworthy condition conviction but will fail an MOT. In future you might want to listen to people that work in the industry and not websites designed to sell a service.

[doodab]

No the question was....my car has failed an MOT can I still drive it.

The answer is "Yes" you can as it still has an MOT - the question was not "my car's a death trap can I take it on the public road and drive into a walking bus of primary school children". Driving a car with dangerous faults is another question. Specifically when you're answer started telling him "it's all computerised" - you implied that this failure will look up on the PNC. There are very strict rules about garages not being allowed to tell the police you're removing a car be it in a dangerous condition or not from them for repair.

Also MOTs are subjective - the tester is the one who decides if they pass or fail - lots of the parts of its are based on "excessive" or "substantial". Take it to another MOT tester and it'll probably pass. This doens't suddenly change the car from being unroadworty to being the safest thing on four wheels.

If you really believe that "It won't be roadworthy" just because it doesn't have an MOT then you are wrong. The MOT and being roadworthy are different things and have different criteria. For example the MOT emissions are based on a specific quantity of part per million. To get a ticket from the police they and the vehicle examiners base it on "excessive smoke" these are not the same thing.

A car can fail an MOT because a seatbelt doesn't retract, not having the postcode of where made your number plate on it....that's an MOT failure, the ABS doesn't work effectively giving you standard brakes it'll fail (but if you remove the ABS system giving you standard brakes it'll pass). A motorbike can fail an MOT for not having pillion foot pegs if its classified as a two seater - even if you never intend to take passengers they still have to be there.

None of these faults will get you a driving a vehicle in an un-roadworthy condition conviction but will fail an MOT. In future you might want to listen to people that work in the industry and not websites designed to sell a service.

So actually the answer isn't yes, it's maybe, because it may also fail the MOT due to a problem that will also get you in trouble for driving an unroadworthy vehicle. It depends why it fails.

[Sockpuppet]

So actually the answer isn't yes, it's maybe, because it may also fail the MOT due to a problem that will also get you in trouble for driving an unroadworthy vehicle. It depends why it fails.

Sort of.

The question of "It's failed my MOT can I drive it". The answer being yes. Failing an MOT doesn't bar the car from the road if you have an existing MOT.

The question of "My car has dangerous faults which caused it to fail it's MOT, should I still drive it" is different. It's the dangerous faults which bar it from the road. Minor faults while they'll fail an MOT are not enough to keep it from the road or get you any penalty for doing so.

[ASB]

The OP will not be committing the specific offence of driving a vehicle without a current MOT. The old certificate is not invalidated (under the old system if you got a "red" fail it was).

However the vehicle is arguably not in a roadworthy condition until such point as the faults have been dealt with to the appropriate standard (depends what the faults were), whether or not it is retested.

[mudskipper]

However the vehicle is arguably not in a roadworthy condition until such point as the faults have been dealt with to the appropriate standard (depends what the faults were), whether or not it is retested.

But that is true whether or not he MOTs it. If there are serious faults it's unroadworthy - whether or not you know about them. The MOT is irrelevant.

[ASB]

But that is true whether or not he MOTs it. If there are serious faults it's unroadworthy - whether or not you know about them. The MOT is irrelevant.

Yes. Being MOT'd is a specific requirement to legally use the vehicle on the road. It is absolutely nothing to do with whether it is roadworthy or not.

The point was that the OP still has a valid MOT (though he is more likely to get a pull since it will show an MOT fail on ANPR). He is not committing the specific offence of not having an MOT.

If the faults which caused the MOT fail are offences under the con and use regulations (which is likely) then he will still be committing those offences - in just the same way as he was when driving it to the MOT station in the first place.

[Darren_Test]

Ok...let me clarify this...I am NOT trying to drive a MOT failed car for another year...I just need 3 weeks time (till end of existing MOT) to fix the car if MOT fails tomorrow. Also if it fails due to some serious issue I am not planning to drive any way ..!!

But if it fails due to some trivial issue I want to use as normal for another 3 weeks, with out getting caught as 'MOT failed' in ANPR....

Thanks.

[Darren_Test]

Yes. The point was that the OP still has a valid MOT (though he is more likely to get a pull since it will show an MOT fail on ANPR). He is not committing the specific offence of not having an MOT..

Thats what I want to avoid...Looks like what you are saying is once MOT failed existing MOT will be invalid...& Police can take my car off the road..??

[Sockpuppet]

The point was that the OP still has a valid MOT (though he is more likely to get a pull since it will show an MOT fail on ANPR). He is not committing the specific offence of not having an MOT

Nope. The ANPR cameras only check for valid MOTs. They don't check for failed MOT tests while you still have an existing MOT. Trust me on this one of my mates is a traffic cop and a good source on info on points like this.

Thats what I want to avoid...Looks like what you are saying is once MOT failed existing MOT will be invalid...& Police can take my car off the road..??

Simple. Don't drive a car in a dangerous condition and you'll have no problems.

Having an MOT or not having one doesn't prove the condition of the car either way. But as far as the police, ANPR, your mother, that kid from down the road and your insurance company are concerned you have an MOT till the end of Sept which means you can drive the car on the road until then. However you as the driver need to assess the car each time you drive it and don't drive it if its in an unsafe condition MOT or not.

Put it this way the DVLA aren't going to send a snatch squad for you in the middle of the night.

[Paddy]

There was a similar discussion on R4 some time ago. They had a spokesman from the VOSA who said that if a vehicle is tested at any time prior to the expiry of the current MOT then the most recent MOT test becomes the only valid one. IE. Once it has failed and MOT’ it has failed regardless of the expiry of any previous ones.