Facebook rioters get 4 years

[Incognito]

Surely this should have already deterred them from making any threats on the internet.

That was a completely different offence, what the facebook lot did was try to incite others to commit an indictable offence (i.e. a serious one), it shouldn't matter how that message is conveyed, whether it be on the internet or standing outside a pub rounding up some local chavs.

[Spacecadet]

That was a completely different offence, what the facebook lot did was try to incite others to commit an indictable offence (i.e. a serious one), it shouldn't matter how that message is conveyed, whether it be on the internet or standing outside a pub rounding up some local chavs.

Well they got caught on facebook and believe it or not, most people don't go checking legislation and previous court cases prior to any idiot action.

[Incognito]

that committing an offence which may have lead to a criminal act should carry the penalty which would have been applied to the actual criminal act had it ever occurred.

Criminal Attempts Act 1981

1 Attempting to commit an offence.
(1)If, with intent to commit an offence to which this section applies, a person does an act which is more than merely preparatory to the commission of the offence, he is guilty of attempting to commit the offence

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4 Trial and penalties.
(1)A person guilty by virtue of section 1 above of attempting to commit an offence shall—

(a)if the offence attempted is murder or any other offence the sentence for which is fixed by law, be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life; and

(b)if the offence attempted is indictable but does not fall within paragraph (a) above, be liable on conviction on indictment to any penalty to which he would have been liable on conviction on indictment of that offence; and

(c)if the offence attempted is triable either way, be liable on summary conviction to any penalty to which he would have been liable on summary conviction of that offence.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/47

Duh

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Just as a matter of interest, what sentences should be handed out for the following?

I say throw the scrote to the dogs.
http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1164275

stab stab stab stabbity stab consensus
http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1100148

Hurrah!

So there still remains the possibility of that glorious stabbity stab stab stab moment.
http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1136626

[Incognito]

The only thing it doesn't have in common is the technicality of the law as it currently exists.

Criminal law embodies the rules that defines conduct which is held to threaten, harm or in someway endanger the safety and/or welfare of society as a whole. Civil law sets out the conduct with which private parties interact with each other.

It's got nothing to do with technicality, they are completely different areas. How on earth can you compare someone's shop getting burned down and someone possibly losing their life to Acme Inc losing a couple of thousand pound in revenue.

Are you suggesting that we have reached some kind of legal Nirvana at this moment in time? That no laws should be challenged or changed from now on because they are all perfect as they stand?

How on earth do you extract that from my post??

[Incognito]

Just as a matter of interest, what sentences should be handed out for the following?

Ask a Judge.

[Incognito]

Well they got caught on facebook and believe it or not, most people don't go checking legislation and previous court cases prior to any idiot action.

It's a well know saying, but ignorance of the law is no defence.

Getting back to the argument though, we know that some of these events were being orchestrated through social media. Why should these idiots not be dealt with the way they were? Do you honestly believe they should only have been punished if the riot actually took place?

It's called preventative action on the part of the police to try and stop incidents escalating. If Joe Bloggs goes out of his house intent on robbing a bank, but gets stopped by the police do you think he should be let off because the actual offence hasn't been committed?

[Spacecadet]

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isn't there a legal beagle forum somewhere you can go and bother?

[Incognito]

isn't there a legal beagle forum somewhere you can go and bother?

Don't ask the ******* question then.

[MarillionFan]

isn't there a legal beagle forum somewhere you can go and bother?

Are you saying that Incognito's dad should have the snip?

Bit harsh.