Cobblers, read Article 36 of the Vienna Convention. The Yanks should pay.
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A tax by any other name
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Insanity: repeating the same actions, but expecting different results.
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Originally posted by AtWI am with the US Embassy on this one - CC charge is certainly a tax - US embassy does not really have a choice as they have been located in the center of London for longer than Ken was mayor.
One question I have though is this - do they pay BBC tax, road tax etc?Comment
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Originally posted by expatDo they pay M6 Toll Road Tax?Comment
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Originally posted by AtWM6 toll is not a tax - its a service offered by the private company who build this private road. It also does not principally inhibit driving - if you dont like M6 Toll then just use M6 (its not that bad now), where as Ken offers choice - either pay tax or don't drive there at all.
Same question as before: if it were a toll barrier would it still be a tax?Comment
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Originally posted by expatSame question as before: if it were a toll barrier would it still be a tax?
"A tax is a charge or other levy imposed on an individual or a legal entity by a state or a functional equivalent of a state (e.g., tribes, secessionist movements or revolutionary movements). Taxes could also be imposed by a subnational entity."
Is the company that makes money from M6 Toll a state or its functional equivalent? No - its a private company, thus the money they want is not a tax. Ken however gets the money from CC charge thus its a tax.Comment
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Originally posted by AtWWhat is a tax? According to Wikipedia it is defined as:
"A tax is a charge or other levy imposed on an individual or a legal entity by a state or a functional equivalent of a state (e.g., tribes, secessionist movements or revolutionary movements). Taxes could also be imposed by a subnational entity."
Is the company that makes money from M6 Toll a state or its functional equivalent? No - its a private company, thus the money they want is not a tax. Ken however gets the money from CC charge thus its a tax.Comment
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Originally posted by expatOK. So if it were outsourced ... ?
Personally I think the CC charge is probably the best way forward, its probably one of a better way of taxation, but its still a tax.Comment
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You should have used some other toll in arguement - M6 toll is private, so its not tax for certain, however in some places in the UK (Scotland?) they have toll bridges that are owned by the council, so question is whether its a tax or not?
I'd say its PROBABLY not tax - its a very specific charge for a very specific service, say when BT was owned by the Govt the prices it charged were not really tax, it was charge for service.
So, question is why CC charge is tax? Because CC is too generic - CC is about giving right to travel in wide area, this is very similar to Road Tax, which appleis to the whole country.
So, either way I look at it its a tax, kudos to US Embassy for not chickening out on this one.Comment
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Originally posted by threadedCobblers, read Article 36 of the Vienna Convention. The Yanks should pay.
Solly...close but no cigar!
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What makes you say it is a tax? The money doesn't go to any government body as tax does.Insanity: repeating the same actions, but expecting different results.
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