Wal-Mart to bring back guns to hundreds of US stores

[PAH]

they dont get to take them home at night

I think that's how it works at the moment with the armed police and armed response units.

Can't remember hearing a story how some copper went home to find his missus with the neighbour and used his shooter to show her the error of her ways.


Extremely tight control with maybe a free for all on a bank holiday to relieve the boredom.

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Doesn't Canada have roughly the same gun laws as the US and A but without anything like the same amount of 'mishaps'?

[d000hg]

In Canada they probably use the guns much more, for hunting, and therefore understand them better. Plus, probably nobody there feels the need to own a gun just because they can, since it's a nice place.

[doodab]

Doesn't Canada have roughly the same gun laws as the US and A but without anything like the same amount of 'mishaps'?

According to that list posted earlier, the Canadian firearm related death rate is 10x that in England & Wales, and about 1/2 that in the US. So it's still pretty high.

[AtW]

According to that list posted earlier, the Canadian firearm related death rate is 10x that in England & Wales, and about 1/2 that in the US. So it's still pretty high.

Well, firearms related deaths are more or less non-existant so it's a bit hard to keep at the same level without sacrificing essential human rights such as right to self defense.

[TykeMerc]

Well, firearms related deaths are more or less non-existant so it's a bit hard to keep at the same level without sacrificing essential human rights such as right to self defense.

What's so essential or in fact a human right in being able to own and carry a device specifically designed to kill people?

[AtW]

What's so essential or in fact a human right in being able to own and carry a device specifically designed to kill people?

Yes it is essential because attackers can choose place and time of attack and also they are likely to be hardened criminals so those of us who are not Rambo's need a decent chance of fighting back and small firearms provide give much more equal chances.

Oh by the way - firearms related deaths in UK gone up (doubled I think) since last major crack down on legitimate firearms owners. I guess criminals who intend to kill don't give a tulip if they get a few years in jail for possession of a firearm.

[TykeMerc]

Yes it is essential because attackers can choose place and time of attack and also they are likely to be hardened criminals so those of us who are not Rambo's need a decent chance of fighting back and small firearms provide give much more equal chances.

Utter bollocks.
Allowing people to carry a small (concealed) firearm will simply equip people to blow holes in other folk because they're scared, angry, stupid, drunk, drugged or looking to rob them.
What you call self defence would clearly end up with a bloodbath because a gun is relatively effort free and can inflict horrific damage at a whim.
Illegally held firearms are a big enough problem as it is, put a hundred thousand times as many firearms on the streets and the results will be very messy.

[AtW]

Allowing people to carry a small (concealed) firearm will simply equip people to blow holes in other folk because they're scared, angry, stupid, drunk, drugged or looking to rob them.

Minority of people are scumbags who'd do that - in current system they'd get away with it as there are no jail places for them, however under self defense system they'll find their doom very quickly: shot dead at a very low cost to taxpayer.

There are not many of them and their number will be greatly thinned down as they'd be taking risk to their life every time they go "on the job".

Illegally held firearms are a big enough problem as it is, put a hundred thousand times as many firearms on the streets and the results will be very messy.

They are not in France. And not in Germany. And not in Switzerland. And not in other countries.

Nevermind USA where they might have taken it a bit too extremely (ie guns without proper checks).

I mean FFS, how cretinuous system should be to NOT even allow purely self defensive stuff like CS gas??!?! It's classed like a firearm in this country - totally idiotic.

[d000hg]

Yes it is essential because attackers can choose place and time of attack and also they are likely to be hardened criminals so those of us who are not Rambo's need a decent chance of fighting back and small firearms provide give much more equal chances.

If criminals suspect their victims are armed they are more likely to be more violent to pre-empt getting shot themselves. Also if it comes down to both of you having guns, the criminal is more likely to be ready to use his... pulling your gun gives him 'license' to use his own. I'd rather not get in a gun-fight with someone violent.