Originally posted by Bagpuss
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woud you like to qualify your statement?"Well behaved women rarely make history"
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Originally posted by janey
The medias reporting of statistics is often wrong. Most of the maths and methods behind what is oft misreported are correct.
Reminds me of an audience member on Questiontime the other week on bird flu. "Why are we looking at statistics, surely we should be looking into the numbers". FFS!The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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I agree, in partOriginally posted by Bagpuss
I'm sure they have used the methods and calculations correctly, however my issue with statistics is that you can use various methods on a data set and each one will prove something different... what I mean is that if you had 3 methods and used them on the same data the follwoing can potentially happen:
1. method one - proves your hypothesis
2. method two - doesn't prove or disprove your hypothesis
3. method three - disproves your hypothesis
obviously method one is always going to be the one that is reported on... be it in the media or any other publication... because it says "told you we were right""Well behaved women rarely make history"Comment
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Originally posted by janey
Very unlikely the situation you describe would ever happen. In any credible research you specify what you are going to do up front and justify why you are doing it. Usually there is supporting literature for doing it the way you have chosen. What you describe sounds like data dredging and/or someone who has no idea what they are doing.The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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erm well I know for a fact that is exactly what happens.Originally posted by Bagpuss
the author would be more than capable of justifying why they have used the methods however what concerns me is what they don't tell you... i.e. all the calculations they used which didn't prove anything or more importantly actually completely disproved what they were claiming."Well behaved women rarely make history"Comment
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If you provide a CI or p-value for each of the methods, that would enable you to decide which is more likely.Originally posted by janeyHard Brexit now!
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Originally posted by janey
Which industry does this happen in? My guess is you are talking about marketing or social sciences. Because any kind of regulated environment for example medical research, it would be thrown out. You cannot throw things out you have specified up front, you report the good with the bad.The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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Indeed. In Clinical Trials, the requirements are stringent, for obvious reasons.Originally posted by BagpussHard Brexit now!
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I was actually talking about financial research.Originally posted by Bagpuss"Well behaved women rarely make history"Comment
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on average 40% (or nearly half) of all "sick" days are taken on either a Monday or a FridayComment
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