Rangers and Celtic; who's best?

[TestMangler]

Celtic 3 Hibs 1

Top of the table. 22 wins out of 29

And only 6 of them with dodgy penalties and offside goals.........

Anyway, never mind all the OF tulip.......what about the 'Well ????

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And here we go again.

Rangers are to face a UEFA disciplinary hearing over allegations of sectarian singing during last month's Europa Lague match away to PSV Eindhoven.

BBC Sport - Rangers to contest Uefa sectarian singing charge

"however, believe that it is absurd to think that only Rangers supporters sing offensive or sectarian songs"

Possibly but you are out there by a country mile.

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"It has also become clear that there are people who have been determined to undermine our club at any cost and have constantly lobbied Uefa and other organisations to take action against Rangers."

This is what a Rangers fan printed in the London Times...

Another week, another excruciating example of the problem Rangers have with a large section of their support. Walter Smith’s team, going into Sunday’s Co-operative Insurance Cup final as underdogs, won quite a few admirers for their gritty 2-1 win over Celtic.
Alas, no one who was at Hampden Park as a neutral, and who had any understanding of the type of songs that were being sung, could have found anything remotely appealing in the antics of the Rangers support.
For fully 120 minutes the Ibrox legions belted out stuff about the Pope, Fenians, and some of their other favoured subjects.
Quite a few of us have become used to “the Rangers problem” over the years but Sunday at Hampden was still quite an eye-opener. It was the consistent, incessant nature of the bigoted chanting that was truly shocking.
One of the problems we have in tackling bigotry in Scottish football is the sheer ignorance of the subject that we have to put up with. For instance, Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish Justice Secretary, clearly didn’t have a clue what he was talking about, to judge from the fatuous statement he released after attending the match at Hampden.
After the prejudiced chants had boomed out, the following was MacAskill’s take on the whole spectacle. “This was the showpiece everyone wanted to see — it was a great advert for Scottish football,” he said. “The players, management and fans contributed to a memorable occasion, and I urge that their positive example inside the ground is replicated outside it over the course of the evening and beyond. Football is a force for good in society.”
Given the nature of what was chanted inside Hampden, this was an utterly ludicrous statement. MacAskill, clearly, is totally unfamiliar with the sort of problems given an airing at Hampden if he thinks that the sort of chanting which the Rangers fans kept up apace represented “fans contributing to a memorable occasion.” This is risible.
I didn’t expect a Rangers statement yesterday on the shocking tone of their supporters’ singing, and nor was one forthcoming. Rangers’ preferred position on their problem is this: let’s just have a general media silence on the subject, and let’s keep any fuss to a minimum. From Rangers’ point of view, the fewer headlines there are about their problem, the less need there is of any requirement to act.
But that is a tough scenario to hope for. The Ibrox club have already been censured by Uefa over bigotry, and more than that, a number of Rangers supporters’ songs have specifically been banned by European football’s governing body. So it is asking a lot for every newspaper to turn a blind eye (or deaf ear) towards songs which have repeatedly been outlawed.
What is more galling for those who want to be rid of this poison is the seeming ignorance — such as was revealed by MacAskill — or inability in government or police circles to be able to fix it.
Hampden on Sunday rang out to bigoted chanting from the Rangers end, yet the police statistics for “sectarian-related crimes” were paltry, never mind MacAskill’s absurd words about how wonderful it all was.
This isn’t government action. On the contrary, this is inaction, and even incompetence. The truth is, we are getting nowhere today with the problem of sectarianism in football. In fact, we are regressing, Edinburgh summits or not, at an alarming rate.
Rangers, in trying to fight their own specific problem, have lost ground. Indeed, if you were at Hampden on Sunday, with bigoted chant after chant ringing out, you would think that the club had gone back ten years in their quest to solve the problem. And for many others, meanwhile, it actually means very little.
OK, so there is sectarian chanting, they say. So what? What does it matter? Just let it go, let’s just concentrate on the football.
Rangers lack the guts to truly take on their own support on the issue, and the same applies for the Scottish FA.
The docking of points really would force the bigots to stop their chanting, and the SFA has the power to do this, but it is too scared to.
Meanwhile, too many other people won’t touch this problem with a bargepole, claiming the accompanying aggro that comes with such debate simply isn’t worth it.
So Scotland just goes on living with its embarrassing bigotry problem. Ignorance, incompetence and cowardice ensure it.

[SimonMac]

And your adding excatly what to the conversation, or are you just trolling for a reaction with posts like that?!

If you are just reposting stuff without commenting may I suggest this too

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4791281.ece

Both sides are as bad as each other, end off, we have songs, you have songs and it will take generations to remove not policies and initiatives by autohirites

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And your adding excatly what to the conversation, or are you just trolling for a reaction with posts like that?!

If you are just reposting stuff without commenting may I suggest this too

Minister unlikely to visit Celtic after sectarian chanting of fans - Times Online

Both sides are as bad as each other, end off, we have songs, you have songs and it will take generations to remove not policies and initiatives by autohirites

IRA songs are not sectarian as much as the DUP want you to think.

[SimonMac]

IRA songs are not sectarian as much as the DUP want you to think.

I dunno even where to start with that statement

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I dunno even where to start with that statement

Because you cannot verbalise? unable to put across the point?

[doodab]

To the neutral it appears that both sides are *****.

Just saying like.

[Mich the Tester]

Glad to have been of service to the Caledonian members of the congregation, but it really was just about annoying MF!

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To the neutral it appears that both sides are *****.

Just saying like.

Well this is the fourth time they have been done by UEFA for this tulip