Mein Kampf

[The Lone Gunman]

Might I also suggest an accompanying read to anything Hitler would be "Where Gohsts Walked" by David Clay Large. Its a bit heavy and I dont agree with all it says but it is not a bad insight into the rise of Naziism.

[bogeyman]

Hitler would fit in well with the current English government. He had the ability, skill and will to make a very real difference but in the end fecked it up completely!

Mailman

No. Stalin is the model for the current British Government (there is no 'English Government', you dim-witted antipodean clown).

The generally-held belief is that Stalin was a 'communist' whereas, in fact, he was a fascist dictator of the first water.

I only hope the boy Cameron can save us, but I doubt he has the balls, the imagination or the intelligence.

[sonu]

Going back to the point about Space exploration. This was fuelled by an arms race between the USA and USSR.

I think there is space research being conducted now, but by the USA, China and India believe or not

[Fungus]

Yes but that is partly due to the fact that they are not rebuilding a starving nation. Hitlers Germans had real reason to be well motivated.

It has always been my belief that had Hitler not been barking he could have united Europe before the end of the war had he chosen a peaceful route.

So Hitler was a misunderstood genius who went a bit too far? Oh my. I've heard that nonsense too often. This forum seems to be full of apprentice David Irvings.

The reality is that from the very beginning Hitler was a thug who employed violence and racism to achieve his political aims. Even in the early days he had his own private militia, the forerunners of the SS, who would beat up or murder anyone who got in the way, such as political adversaries. And Jews were hated from the start. Scape goating is a great way to unite people, except for the victims of course.

Hitler was never democratically elected, but was handed power as he claimed that he could restore Germany which at that time was a basket case.

And as for his great abilities, well he might have been a great orator, but he was disorganised and lazy, and had the knack of setting subordinates against each other, by giving them overlapping powers/tasks. Subordinates would fight each other in order to gain the affections of the leader.

It's when you get severe economic problems that the fruit cakes start to come out of the wood work (A strange metaphor.)

New Lier has a strange variation on Stalinism and Fascism in that Stalin and Hitler both created personality cults. That is exactly what Blair has done. He was the one who got Labour back into power. (Well, sort of. In the same way that Frankenstein's monster brought to life the constituent parts.) He makes the top level decisions, and then sits down on his sofa with toadies to instruct them to carry out his wishes. The idea of cabinet government and collective responsibiity went almost a decade ago.

[Fungus]

Going back to the point about Space exploration. This was fuelled by an arms race between the USA and USSR.

I think there is space research being conducted now, but by the USA, China and India believe or not

The Chinese and Indian space programmes are very successful. As everyone knows China has already launched its first Taikonaut into orbit, using some Russian technology it must be said, and are aiming at the moon. India has been launching satellites for years. The Japanese space programme is less successful and beset with problems, which is odd, but there you go.

[Dundeegeorge]

Scary - replace hitler with blair

So Hitler was a misunderstood genius who went a bit too far? Oh my. I've heard that nonsense too often. This forum seems to be full of apprentice David Irvings.

The reality is that from the very beginning Hitler was a thug who employed violence and racism to achieve his political aims. Even in the early days he had his own private militia, the forerunners of the SS, who would beat up or murder anyone who got in the way, such as political adversaries. And Jews were hated from the start. Scape goating is a great way to unite people, except for the victims of course.

Hitler was never democratically elected, but was handed power as he claimed that he could restore Germany which at that time was a basket case.

And as for his great abilities, well he might have been a great orator, but he was disorganised and lazy, and had the knack of setting subordinates against each other, by giving them overlapping powers/tasks. Subordinates would fight each other in order to gain the affections of the leader.

It's when you get severe economic problems that the fruit cakes start to come out of the wood work (A strange metaphor.)

New Lier has a strange variation on Stalinism and Fascism in that Stalin and Hitler both created personality cults. That is exactly what Blair has done. He was the one who got Labour back into power. (Well, sort of. In the same way that Frankenstein's monster brought to life the constituent parts.) He makes the top level decisions, and then sits down on his sofa with toadies to instruct them to carry out his wishes. The idea of cabinet government and collective responsibiity went almost a decade ago.

Hitler never had more than 37 percent of the popular vote in the honest elections that occurred before he became Chancellor. And the opposition among the 63 percent against him was generally quite strong. Hitler therefore would have never seen the light of day had the German Republic been truly democratic. Unfortunately, its otherwise sound constitution contained a few fatal flaws. The German leaders also had a weak devotion to democracy, and some were actively plotting to overthrow it. Hitler furthermore enjoyed an almost unbroken string of luck in coming to power. He benefited greatly from the Great Depression, the half-senility of the president, the incompetence of his opposition, and the appearance of an unnecessary backroom deal just as the Nazis were starting to lose popular appeal and votes.

[The Lone Gunman]

Fungus you twat, I dont need a lesson on Hitler and what makes you think you are qualified to give one anyway?

So Hitler was a misunderstood genius who went a bit too far?

Where did I say that? I said he was barking mad but if he hadnt been he could have gone far!!!

Oh my. I've heard that nonsense too often. This forum seems to be full of apprentice David Irvings.

I have yet to hear anyone express any opinion of Hitler that remotely supports anything like Irving.

The reality is that from the very beginning Hitler was a thug who employed violence and racism to achieve his political aims. Even in the early days he had his own private militia, the forerunners of the SS, who would beat up or murder anyone who got in the way, such as political adversaries. And Jews were hated from the start. Scape goating is a great way to unite people, except for the victims of course.

Hitler was never democratically elected, but was handed power as he claimed that he could restore Germany which at that time was a basket case.

And as for his great abilities, well he might have been a great orator, but he was disorganised and lazy, and had the knack of setting subordinates against each other, by giving them overlapping powers/tasks. Subordinates would fight each other in order to gain the affections of the leader.

You are not totally thick then. None of the points you make would have stopped him building a great Empire would it?

It's when you get severe economic problems that the fruit cakes start to come out of the wood work (A strange metaphor.)

I think I alluded to this point when I suggested the Gremans were well motivated!

New Lier has a strange variation on Stalinism and Fascism in that Stalin and Hitler both created personality cults. That is exactly what Blair has done. He was the one who got Labour back into power. (Well, sort of. In the same way that Frankenstein's monster brought to life the constituent parts.) He makes the top level decisions, and then sits down on his sofa with toadies to instruct them to carry out his wishes. The idea of cabinet government and collective responsibiity went almost a decade ago.

You might have a point, but we were discussing Hitler not Tone. We have oft been accused of only ever whinging about NL so leave it out eh!

[Fungus]

Fungus you twat, I dont need a lesson on Hitler and what makes you think you are qualified to give one anyway?Where did I say that? I said he was barking mad but if he hadnt been he could have gone far!!!
I have yet to hear anyone express any opinion of Hitler that remotely supports anything like Irving.

You are not totally thick then. None of the points you make would have stopped him building a great Empire would it?

I think I alluded to this point when I suggested the Gremans were well motivated!

You might have a point, but we were discussing Hitler not Tone. We have oft been accused of only ever whinging about NL so leave it out eh!

You are an @rsehole.

So which trait of Hitlers do you admire? If he was not barking, he would have gone nowhere. There have been quite a few "Well Hitler was in many respects good" comments on this thread. What was good about him? His ability to inspire? Well how did he achive that? By violence and demonising sub-groups. The young were even taught to inform on adults who did not conform. Nice. I cannot see anything pleasant about Hitler.

And as for being told not to mention Blair, up yours. Threads evolve. Unlike your lineage, though it could clearly do with advancing beyong the amoebal stage.

[xoggoth]

Read bits of it and thought it was crap. Stuff about lions never getting on with sheep or something as though people were an entirely different species. Maybe I will have another look and start from the beginning.

Hitler's character certainly is a puzzle. A drifting feckless young artist in his youth, he even had Jewish friends. Read a book called "Explaining Hitler : The Search for the Origins of His Evil " a collection of essays by about 10 people, 10 different opinions.

Personally I think he was possessed by aliens. Zeitghost will know.

[OwlHoot]

Oh God! Well you wouldn't would you?

Thanks for maintaining your position of moral and intellectual superiority over the proles that populate this forum.

I have heard it said that Mein Kampf is somewhat rambling and repetitative in places. So maybe Denny has a point if that was his impression. Same thing can be said about the Koran which, unlike MK, I have read.