Stealing Freedom

[BobTheCrate]

To quote a couple of well known adages.

1. In a democracy the people get the Gov't they deserve.

2. Democracy sews the seeds of its own destruction.

If the people don't care about their privacy and freedoms - they will invariably lose them eventually.

Just a few examples ...

Habius Corpus
The trashing of Habius Corpus is indeed a serious blow to legal protection afforded to the innocent individual.

ID cards
The intended introduction of an ID card system that also conspicuously holds and tracks enormous volumes of personal information about us. To be introduced by stealth and for deceitful reasons. The real agenda behind ID cards is very worrying.

Politicised public sector
Is another facet of empowering Gov't to intimidate, not influence, otherwise impartial decision making processes.

Virtually every facet of the public sector has become politicised to an alarming degree - including the Police and the Judiciary.

Intended internment
This Gov't claims everything will be alright because of the inclusion of the courts throughout the process. This would be more comfortable if it were not for the agenda of this Gov't politicising the judiciary.

Once the judiciary has lost its autonomy from Government is when at best the most awful corruption creeps in. At worst fair trials and honest judgements are consigned to history.

IMO it is foolhardy to paint the Conservatives and LibDems with the same brush as the control freaks in Labour - certainly in regard to protecting the kinds of freedoms and legal protections normally associated with an established democracy.

Fools and their freedom, like their money, are soon parted.

[DaveB]

Estelle Morris, former Secretary of State for Education

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2355059.stm

The 'system' soon filters out those who have an inkling of well meaning.

"Resigning because you know damn well you're going to get the boot anyway is not an excuse."

[expat]

To quote a couple of well known adages.
...
2. Democracy sews the seeds of its own destruction.

Are you sure that's a well'known adage? I haven't heard it before.

I've heard of "capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction" - Marx wrote it and the communists quoted it a lot, but judging by the effort they put into doing the sowing themselves, I don't think they believed it either.

[threaded]

Debt and revolution are inseparable as cause and effect.

[zathras]

To quote a couple of well known adages.

1. In a democracy the people get the Gov't they deserve.

2. Democracy sews the seeds of its own destruction.

If the people don't care about their privacy and freedoms - they will invariably lose them eventually.

Just a few examples ...

Habius Corpus
The trashing of Habius Corpus is indeed a serious blow to legal protection afforded to the innocent individual.

ID cards
The intended introduction of an ID card system that also conspicuously holds and tracks enormous volumes of personal information about us. To be introduced by stealth and for deceitful reasons. The real agenda behind ID cards is very worrying.

Politicised public sector
Is another facet of empowering Gov't to intimidate, not influence, otherwise impartial decision making processes.

Virtually every facet of the public sector has become politicised to an alarming degree - including the Police and the Judiciary.

Intended internment
This Gov't claims everything will be alright because of the inclusion of the courts throughout the process. This would be more comfortable if it were not for the agenda of this Gov't politicising the judiciary.

Once the judiciary has lost its autonomy from Government is when at best the most awful corruption creeps in. At worst fair trials and honest judgements are consigned to history.

IMO it is foolhardy to paint the Conservatives and LibDems with the same brush as the control freaks in Labour - certainly in regard to protecting the kinds of freedoms and legal protections normally associated with an established democracy.

Fools and their freedom, like their money, are soon parted.

It's worth noting that the 90 days detention without trial or charge that TB wanted for the terrorism act was more than the 12 weeks (84 days) that was given to the driver of a stolen vehicle who killed a 5 year old crossing the road. Also prior to TB being in power it was only 7 days. He got it increased first to 14 days and then got 28.

You can add to that the curtailing of democracy itself. Under the guise of reducing regulation the government is currently passing a bill which will allow ministers to alter legislation and to pass new secondary legislation without and debate or vote in either house. Some commentators have even said that a minister may be in a position to postpone an election!