Average salary

[ThomasSoerensen]

It says per person, per month. Hence multiplied it by 3 and 4 for 3 and 4 person households. It doesn't say per household or per economically active unit.

children do not receive incomes

[Mich the Tester]

children do not receive incomes

Child benefits and teenagers earning a few euros for a paper round certainly make an important difference to many households' incomes though.

[Alf W]

Office of National Statistics 2010 ASHE report states Median averages.

[Mich the Tester]

with your dataset you have 3 people getting by on less than the median.

With the dataset of the german population of 80 million, assuming 80% get an income, how many people do you calculate get by on less than the median income?

A median is perhaps a worthwhile statistic, but more worthwhile is to have a set of quality of life levels. For example, for x euros/pounds/groats you can hire a simple home, clothe, clean and feed yourself and get health insurance. For 1.5x you can have all that plus a 2 week holiday in the sun and you can do some educational course to improve your earning capacity. For 2x you can have all that plus live in a house of some defined size, go out to a restaurant twice a month, be a member of a club for your hobbies, buy a basic new car every few years and save 10% for the future, etcetera etcetera until about 100x where you live like a king. You need to know how many people are in each of those categories to judge the chance of socio-economic breakdown or cohesion.

[ThomasSoerensen]

I think what OP's getting at is a mythical Joe Bloggs, how much that Joe Bloggs is earning, and whether it's enough to keep Joe Bloggs respectably housed, fed and entertained so that he doesn't start causing big problems for the rest of us. Of course, you then need to know how many people fit into a certain bandwidth of Joe Bloggs' financial situation, to find out whether the peaceful lives of the middle and upper classes might be threatened by growing social or political unrest.

I am not afraid of Joe Bloggs causing unrest. I more feel like I have discovered I live in a bubble of delusion I never saw before (in my time as a contractor). I still think my usual invoices are for a large amount of money but I genereally do not think I live an extravagant lifestyle. Basically I thought I identified woth Joe Bloggs to some degree.

I have just spoken to me clientco coworker about the salary table sasguru liked to and he informed me that he, with 10 years experience, is earning just over 4000 EUR gross per month. Net is is about 2800 EUR. So the salary table seems fairly representative.

Now I like being a contractor even more.

[d000hg]

Ask yourself; when did you last meet someone earning and living off or providing for a family from an average or below average wage? OK, maybe you spoke to a young colleague who's only just starting out in the workplace, but that's different if that person has the chances to move upwards. I mean people who work 40 hours a week for minimum wage. I haven't met one for years. Everybody in my social or business circle is doing pretty well compared to the lowest earners. There's not just a complete economic disconnect, but a complete social disconnect.

That's just because you are elitist and a snob, like many on CUK, living in their enclaves new-build estates. Although Mich, I'm surprised that as a rugby player there aren't more commoners in your circle?

BTW, the mean/median wage isn't equivalent to working on minimum wage (in the UK). So you don't have to be friends with burger-flippers to know people on the average wage, many professional jobs pay well under £20k up in't'North.

[Alf W]

Do 3 or 4 adults usually cohabit together? Maybe in their early 20s, or in your gay commune, but really you should be multiplying by 2.

OK, 2 people then. £2600 after tax for a household is a long way from poverty level.

[sasguru]

Mich's point is well taken however.
£40K in Sheffield for example (where you can buy a decent flat/house for £120K) is probably better than earning £60-70K in London.
And someone in an OK council estate on £25K may feel very comfortable indeed with their subsidised rent.

PS Have you seen some of the cars parked outside council estates? Obviously need their fooking rent raised, the scabby skivers.

[ThomasSoerensen]

A median is perhaps a worthwhile statistic, but more worthwhile is to have a set of quality of life levels. For example, for x euros/pounds/groats you can hire a simple home, clothe, clean and feed yourself and get health insurance. For 1.5x you can have all that plus a 2 week holiday in the sun and you can do some educational course to improve your earning capacity. For 2x you can have all that plus live in a house of some defined size, go out to a restaurant twice a month, be a member of a club for your hobbies, buy a basic new car every few years and save 10% for the future, etcetera etcetera until about 100x where you live like a king. You need to know how many people are in each of those categories to judge the chance of socio-economic breakdown or cohesion.

Isn't this what they do when they adjust for purchasing power parity? like List of countries by average wage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia although this is only full time wages - so covering far from all adults

[Churchill]

That's just because you are elitist and a snob, like many on CUK, living in their enclaves new-build estates. Although Mich, I'm surprised that as a rugby player there aren't more commoners in your circle?
BTW, the mean/median wage isn't equivalent to working on minimum wage (in the UK). So you don't have to be friends with burger-flippers to know people on the average wage, many professional jobs pay well under £20k up in't'North.

He plays "Union" the elitist bastard!