Buying a new car

[gingerjedi]

Isn't it Toyotas that keep killing their occupants? By accelerating until they crash, or refusing to acknowledge requests for the brakes to be applied? And dodgy drive shafts? And buggy stability control systems? And "steering software features"? And the steering columns, valve springs, electronic throttle control and cruise control? Resulting in numerous law suits? And product recalls over and over and over again?

If you gave me a new Toyota I wouldn't take the keys off you in case they stabbed me in the leg giving me toxemia, strangled my family and massacred the entire street with flamethrowers then ran off laughing.




<couch> <a-choo> <sniff>

Yes the worlds largest car manufacturer makes dangerous and unreliable cars, thats why they're No.1.

God bless American lawyers, they do a good job of protecting US citizens from those nasty foreign companies that dislodge GM from the top of the tree.

[RichardCranium]

Yes the worlds largest car manufacturer makes dangerous and unreliable cars, thats why they're No.1.

By that argument, Micro$oft makes the best, most reliable and safest operating system in the world.

Toyota cars ARE killing their occupants, and it seems a wide variety of components are the cause, both hardware and software.





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[DimPrawn]

[lilelvis2000]

By that argument, Micro$oft makes the best, most reliable and safest operating system in the world.

Toyota cars ARE killing their occupants, and it seems a wide variety of components are the cause, both hardware and software.
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Hopefully nothing I wrote.

BTW: link?

[RichardCranium]

BTW: link?

Presumably you've not been listening to the news this past year or two where there seems to have been a Toyota product recall, deaths or law suit every few days.

Just do Google search for "toyota safety" or "toyota product recall". Or even, look at the Wikipedia pages dedicated to the subject!!! Here's the page for just one year.

Toyota used to be good. Now they build deathtraps.




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[Spacecadet]

Presumably you've not been listening to the news this past year or two where there seems to have been a Toyota product recall, deaths or law suit every few days.

Just do Google search for "toyota safety" or "toyota product recall". Or even, look at the Wikipedia pages dedicated to the subject!!! Here's the page for just one year.

Toyota used to be good. Now they build deathtraps.




<whimper> <moan> <a-choo>

Simple case of the media (and yourself) getting worked up and Toyota not handling the media and the recalls properly.

I do not see any real reason to not buy a Toyota, new or used.

From your own link:

Numerous investigations have taken place, including those by the U.S. NHTSA and Japanese transport ministry.[96] The difficulty of investigations is compounded by the fact that driver error can be a possibility in certain cases. The Wall Street Journal reported, "Even when dealers and auto makers suspect driver error, it is difficult for them to outright blame their customers for fear of alienating them or appearing insensitive",[21] which USA Today also suggested.[97] Questions about why cases are mainly in the U.S. have also been raised by international investigations; German publication Der Spiegel reported that similar accidents have rarely occurred outside North America, and although there have been some reports of stuck Toyota gas pedals in Germany, all drivers braked successfully without loss of life.[98]
In another U.S. incident, on December 26, 2009, four people died in Southlake, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, when their 2008 Toyota Avalon sped off the road and through a fence, landing upside down in a pond. The car's floor mats were found in the trunk of the car, where owners had been advised to put them as part of the recall.[99] According to the police report, the driver suffered from epilepsy, but investigators could not rule out either a vehicle defect or the possibility that the driver had suffered a seizure.[16][100]
On Feb 17, 2010, US safety regulators launched an investigation into Corolla steering complaints.[101][102] Following the widespread media publicity of the recalls, several media publications suggested that investigations of subsequent reports would have consider the possibility of "copycat complaints" and hoaxes, with potential complainants seeking to capitalize on possible settlement money,[103] or affected by the psychological bandwagon effect of the mass publicity.[104]
On March 14, 2010, the Norwegian government considered whether to ban Priuses from roads in Norway pending an investigation after a near fatal incident involving a senior citizen.[105] On March 29, after receipt of technical and other information, police indicted the driver involved in the Prius incident for making "a false emergency call to police".[106]
The use of vehicle event data recorders and video surveillance also proved beneficial to investigators, with findings of driver error in a March 9, 2010 Prius alleged sudden acceleration crash, where a 56-year old housekeeper claimed to have braked but was recorded pressing the wrong pedal,[107] and also in a March 29, 2010 Camry alleged sudden acceleration crash, where a 76-year old driver claimed to have braked, but was filmed not doing so until after impact.[108]

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Simple case of the media (and yourself) getting worked up and Toyota not handling the media and the recalls properly.

I do not see any real reason to not buy a Toyota, new or used.

WHS

A lot of septics are too stupid to operate any kind of appliance, never mind a car. We've been here before, Audi and Volvo both had "a problem" with runaway auto transmissions at one time - but oddly, only in the USA.
If you have ever been to the US you'll have seen their driving - and coupled with their greater propensity to drink and drive and not wear seat belts, their dead easy driving tests and their refusal to walk anywhere it's no surprise they kill themselves in Toyotas or any other car.

[gingerjedi]

By that argument, Micro$oft makes the best, most reliable and safest operating system in the world.

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Most people who use computers don't know how to use anything other than Windoze, people who buy cars should all be able to drive.

When the original Audi TiTy was launched it had a habit of losing grip and throwing itself into barriers, so they recalled them, fitted a tiny spoiler and fixed the suspension (the real issue), don't get me started on the coil packs which plagued almost all VAG cars. Vorsprung Durch Technik.

Last year BMW recalled 350,000 cars because of faulty brakes. The ultimate driving machine.

Also in 2010 Mercedes recalled 22,000 cars with faulty steering. Unlike any other.

Jaguar recalled their newly launched XF because a fueling problem that could cause the engine to stall at any time. Don't dream it drive it.

Recall database.

[kaiser78]

What about a Nissan Qashqai ?

[Cliphead]

What about a Nissan Qashqai ?

That's what I have currently, 3 years old.