Are you religious/ superstitious?

[contractor79]

Please show which lies I have told.

And I definately have nothing against good parenting. Good parenting instills self-confidense and critical thinking in children. Not blind belief in any fairy tale told to the children.

yeah yeah we'll see how your kids turn out

[ThomasSoerensen]

yeah yeah we'll see how your kids turn out

That will take quite some time as they are currently only 3 and 6 years old.

On the other hand we can look at your parents children and draw some conclusions.

[d000hg]

To missionaries of Christiannity it seems to matter. It is their job to convince people that the missionary is right and the target has to change his life in order to become "right".

Simple logic explains this. Apart from the fact Jesus commands people to evangelise, missionaries belief those who don't accept Jesus will go to hell, and will suffer terribly. It follows quite naturally that you'd want to do something about it, exactly the same way charities work.

That's why the "believe what you want but keep it to yourself" argument is clearly not going to work. If their is a police-imposed curfew but you see someone getting mugged (they're both breaking curfew obviously), it's still the right thing to help in the eyes of many.

If you approach religion from the view of "it's not real" then it does seem silly, but from the viewpoint of the religious person who considers there to be absolute truth, mission is clearly logical - it's the faith itself you want to target.

Some Christian writers have said this... you can't leave us alone, either we're right and you need to listen, or we're wrong and crazy and it's your moral duty to help us.

[ThomasSoerensen]

Simple logic explains this. Apart from the fact Jesus commands people to evangelise, missionaries belief those who don't accept Jesus will go to hell, and will suffer terribly. It follows quite naturally that you'd want to do something about it, exactly the same way charities work.

That's why the "believe what you want but keep it to yourself" argument is clearly not going to work. If their is a police-imposed curfew but you see someone getting mugged (they're both breaking curfew obviously), it's still the right thing to help in the eyes of many.

If you approach religion from the view of "it's not real" then it does seem silly, but from the viewpoint of the religious person who considers there to be absolute truth, mission is clearly logical - it's the faith itself you want to target.

Some Christian writers have said this... you can't leave us alone, either we're right and you need to listen, or we're wrong and crazy and it's your moral duty to help us.

How about we agree that we do not need to help "save" the other side.
I would enjoy my saturdays more if you got the crazy poster-holding-crazy-yelling missionaries of the Frankfurt shopping street. He annoys me.

[Bunk]

Some Christian writers have said this... you can't leave us alone, either we're right and you need to listen, or we're wrong and crazy and it's your moral duty to help us.

I hope they're in the minority then, because that's exactly what I have a problem with.

[ThomasSoerensen]

I hope they're in the minority then, because that's exactly what I have a problem with.

I agree

[doodab]

I have never wondered "is there a god?". All I have ever asked myself is why things are as they are, and god has never seemed a convincing explanation. For me it's not a question of why I don't believe in god, but of what I do believe, and god isn't part of that jigsaw.

I think that people should probably be allowed to believe whatever they like within reason, but because I believe in the burden of proof, and I believe that logic & reason are prime movers within the grand scheme of things and all that is or ever will be must be logically consistent with itself and ultimately compatible with logic and reason, and I believe that the application of logic and reason have been of great benefit to mankind, so I believe we have a duty of sorts both to point out the obviously wrong and question that which is not obviously correct, if only to convince ourselves of it's soundness.

Now, if someone can show me some clear evidence for the existence of god I will be forced to conclude he exists, but suggesting that I should believe, or otherwise give credence to an idea that directly contradicts the things I do believe in, simply because I cannot disprove it and there is a small possibility that there might one day be some evidence for it, only serves to emphasise the weakness of the arguments in it's favour. Until such evidence is presented I shall continue to put my faith in logic and reason and believe that there are logical, reasonable explanations for all things, and as long as there is no evidence to the contrary I have no need of god and no more reason to consider he exists than to contemplate any of a million other not very likely but still to be proven impossible scenarios.

[TimberWolf]

How about we agree that we do not need to help "save" the other side.
I would enjoy my saturdays more if you got the crazy poster-holding-crazy-yelling missionaries of the Frankfurt shopping street. He annoys me.

I was watching one of those shouting guys in the shopping centre the other day. He was getting a lot of abuse, but some staff from the nearby Car Phone Warhouse were really winding him up. Maybe they didn't want him near their shop, who knows. But I had to laugh when they each in turn tried unsuccessfully to convince him about something or other, probably to shut up. He spat on one of them and the other guy had to be held back. In the end the biggest MF in the shop came out to speak to him and after a lot of intimidation the religious guy sat down exhausted. But in no time he was back up and carried on as before. They must have thick skin. They make me laugh and I quite enjoy watching them. So loud too, some of them.

[contractor79]

That will take quite some time as they are currently only 3 and 6 years old.

On the other hand we can look at your parents children and draw some conclusions.

yeah you go ahead and bring up your kids with your atheist godless non-values and we'll see how they turn out

[Bunk]

yeah you go ahead and bring up your kids with your atheist godless non-values and we'll see how they turn out

Are you saying that if he raises them as atheists, they won't turn out like you?