Hamza guilty of soliciting murder

[xoggoth]

I suggest Fungus that you do what I said, check out Islamic websites for yourself, not the ranting ones, but the moderate ones that believe they are presenting a positive view of Islam. THEN, when you've done that, come back and tell me I'm wrong about its ambitions.

Or maybe you think I should just totally ignore what I read and have a vague trust in the goodness of human nature. Of course there are Christians as bad, who would like to imprison homosexuals etc, (as we did only a few decades ago) the difference is that christianity is declining and that threat is receeding.

[foritisme]

Just been reading about him - he's only 47 !! Though he was in his sixties, and to think I was going to give up pork.

[ratewhore]

He was fighting there against Soviet troops on money paid by USA - much like Bin Laden.

He was marking out a safe route through an old minefiled working on a building project financed by the Saudis (I believe).

[The Lone Gunman]

Fungus (and others of the same opinion):

Like Xoggy, I have read the Koran a number of times, I have also followed the history of Islam, it all adds up to a frightening future.

Remember at all times that for a Muslim the Koran is the word of God. They can not be selective in which bits they believe and obey. It is all or nothing.

The Koran tells Muslims to be peaceful and moderate when living under a covenant of protection.
It tells them they must fight for Islam when they have the power to do so.
It tells them to kill Muslims who have turned from the path just the same as they must kill those who refuse to follow the path at all.

It does not matter how tolerant and peaceful we are or they are now, once Muslims hold sway they must follow the Koran.

As Xoggy says, go buy a copy and read it. Then read the traditions to get a feel for the wisdom of Islam and then make up your own mind. You can not listen to the moderates as it is their job to beguile. It is all in the Koran and the traditions.

[AlfredJPruffock]

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security

It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty

Won't fall upon them naturally

Life sometimes
Must get lonely.

[darmstadt]

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security

It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty

Won't fall upon them naturally

Life sometimes
Must get lonely.

"With regard to freedom of expression there are basically two
positions: you defend it vigorously for views you hate, or you
reject it in favor of Stalinist/Fascist standards."