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[MarillionFan]

Well, insulin from pigs aside, I was talking about animal testing. Much of this testing has been discredited - did you know for instance that aspirin would never have been allowed if research had been based on animal testing.

Yes, I always thought this was particularly cruel testing.

These used to take an assortment of dogs(Beagles, Poodles) then take them down the pub, force them to drink 15 pints of stella, smoke, play pool, darts and then a late night poker session.

Next morning with terrible hangovers they try the aspirin out. Where the hell do you think this comes from!! Bastards.

http://thingsyoumightnotknowaboutman...ying-poker.jpg

[Gibbon]

I was once being considered for a position at Astra Zenica up north in Cheshire a few years ago. I got to the interview stage and was asked if I'd be comfortable working in a place where animal tests were carried out. I ermmed and arghhed and said that it could be acceptable in extreme cases but I think the rather disjointed nature of my reply didn't impress them and I wasn't offered the position, even though my interview was otherwise flawless. I can always tell when I've done well in an interview and I can say hand on heart that I did well in that particular one except for the response I gave to the query on animal testing. I have to say that now I would never consider a contract for any establishment that engages in the practice of animal testing no matter what the reason because I no longer think the end justifies the means under any circumstances.
Just to add some levity into the discussion, I'd like to add that I did once, however, work on a good Frankie Vaughan site whilst working as a permie a few years ago. No quibbles there about any ethical issues LOL!

For you to have any integrity with this claim you should in future refrain from using any medicines and surgical techniques that have been developed using animals. Consuming is just as guilty as carrying out the tests, infact highly hypocritical in using the technology and then relieving yourself of the burden about it was produced.

A simple example is the treatment of gunshot wounds and that surgeons practice on pigs. Remember that if ever you're shot.

[gricerboy]

<rant>
No you f'kin muppet!!!!!
I agree that some (even lots) of animal testing is NOT justified......
Its is W'nkers who use phrases like "under ANY circumstances"..... and (other) W'nkers who use emotive arguments (look at the poor little fluffy bunnies... its cruel etc).... that piss me off!!!

Animal Testing IS ACCEPTABLE in some circumstances....... you have just said thats your opinion..... don't argue f'king absolutes!!

By all means debate about which circumstances are acceptable but DON'T argue that it is wrong per se......

If someone genuinely believes that NO use of animals is correct then I trust they don't use any modern medicine, food, etc......
If mankind did not use animals we would be extinct.....

<rant off>

There was absolutley no logic whatsoever in what you just said. You accuse people of being emotive and then you present me with the ramblings of a madman? Is there any point?

[Moscow Mule]

Is there any point?

The point is that you are a hypocrite.

And you still haven't told us who you really are.

[Drewster]

WHS

and stop arguing with a sockie!

Good point well made.........

However

There was absolutley no logic whatsoever in what you just said. You accuse people of being emotive and then you present me with the ramblings of a madman? Is there any point?

I disagree.....
a) You said "under any circumstances"....
b) I gave a circumstance....
c) You accepted my circumstance as an exception....

Therefore you accept that your initial statement was wrong..... dress it up how you like.....

Sockie or not you are a fool......

[cnch]

<rant>
No you f'kin muppet!!!!!
I agree that some (even lots) of animal testing is NOT justified......
Its is W'nkers who use phrases like "under ANY circumstances"..... and (other) W'nkers who use emotive arguments (look at the poor little fluffy bunnies... its cruel etc).... that piss me off!!!

Animal Testing IS ACCEPTABLE in some circumstances....... you have just said thats your opinion..... don't argue f'king absolutes!!

By all means debate about which circumstances are acceptable but DON'T argue that it is wrong per se......

If someone genuinely believes that NO use of animals is correct then I trust they don't use any modern medicine, food, etc......
If mankind did not use animals we would be extinct.....

<rant off>

Hmmm, so we have gone from work to animal experimentation.

Personally speaking I would not work for a company whose ethics clashed with my own. If however I was completely desperate for money, unable to provide food, roof over my head I would potentially have to set aside those ethics for a brief period of time (it would however be a last resort).

As for animal experimentation - I agree with Drewster. We all have our pecking order in this world and in my view I would much prefer to use animals rather than humans for experimentation - no it's not nice, but given the current options. I do think their living conditions could be improved and would prefer they suffered as little as possible, but it is Hobson's choice.

Solidarity, Reg!

Not too sure about doing anything illegal, once got arrested at a demonstration and for a number of years it had an impact on my working life.

[Drewster]

............... I agree with Drewster............

Not too sure about doing anything illegal, once got arrested at a demonstration and for a number of years it had an impact on my working life.

a) Thanks Sis Suity Suity's mates brother CNCH
(before any one else starts)
b) Oooooooo do tell........

[fullyautomatix]

I was asked to work on a p0rn website featuring gangbangs or something like that. It involved viewing plenty of videos of p0rn and as I was a married man I declined the project on moral grounds .

[Churchill]

Hmmm, so we have gone from work to animal experimentation.

Personally speaking I would not work for a company whose ethics clashed with my own. If however I was completely desperate for money, unable to provide food, roof over my head I would potentially have to set aside those ethics for a brief period of time (it would however be a last resort).

As for animal experimentation - I agree with Drewster. We all have our pecking order in this world and in my view I would much prefer to use animals rather than humans for experimentation - no it's not nice, but given the current options. I do think their living conditions could be improved and would prefer they suffered as little as possible, but it is Hobson's choice.



Not too sure about doing anything illegal, once got arrested at a demonstration and for a number of years it had an impact on my working life.

Hi Lucy!

[Pondlife]

Hi Lucy!

, Seriously!