contractor rights - bullying

[DodgyAgent]

No the point is perly - individuals have a conscience whereas large corporates do not - corporates seek a return no matter the consequence to anyone else e.g. global warming.

This is another of those cliches that you lefties love to spout; that corporates are effectively uncaring bastards. Well what precisely is their job exactly? To me they are charged with making profits for the benefit of shareholders. Given that many of these shareholders happen to be hard working public and private sector employees pensions I cannot see that there is any better purpose that they could perform.
If these corporates are indeed ruthless it is because they have to be in order to survive in a global market, so unless we can afford to employ people to build say parts for cars that are no longer made , paying them £30k per year for a two hour week for products that no one wants (remember the miners?) there is no better system for putting people together to create a civilised society.
In your pink and fluffy world of public sector employment where councils promote all the touchy feely bulltulip of caring sharing bollocks about equality and the environment, just remember that these institutions are:

1. Generally useless and fail to deliver anything that works, and in so doing kill off the competitiveness of real business that generate real wealth and

2. actually fail to create a decent working environment anyway. Why? because they do not include any of the dynamics of a successful competitive business. So no responsibility, same pay and promotion no matter how good/bad you are, and poorly motivated sick note culture employees.

So the trendy hypocrisy of pinning your cowardly colours to anti capitalist cliches does not wash/stand up to any logical scrutiny/argument whatsoever.

[Fungus]

I would not involve HR at all as they do not have a vested interest in representing you whatsoever.

Document the issues and then contact a solicitor and take stock of the advice you are given , do not mention this consultation to anybody at your workplace nor your agency.

And do not retaliate nor threaten retalation.

Until AFTER you leave ...

It looks like the problem has been sorted, but the above would be my choice too unless I knew the politics of the place were okay. Clearly they are in this case.

However, complaining can on occasion put you in the tulipe, as I found in my first company. I was being abused by a manager (talked over, ignored, routinely humiliated in public, not assigned work, given incorrect information to drop me in the tulipe) and I complained to a director. I was nearly sacked as the manager's mates lied about me. Plus the director was himself a rather nasty bully. Many are. But not all.

But, I've been in other companies where people have complained, and were taken seriously. In one company a manager was so aggressive with the person next to me that I felt extremely ill at ease. He was spoken to. At one company I gave a really bad account of one manager in an exit interview. Others did the same, and a permie complained, and he was moved sideways to a job with no sub-ordinates.

In general modern progressive companies know that bullying is counter-production and these days it also opens them to legal action what with recent legislation. I've known someone to pocket a pay off to leave and keep quiet!

Fungus

[Jabberwocky]

This is another of those cliches that you lefties love to spout; that corporates are effectively uncaring bastards. Well what precisely is their job exactly? To me they are charged with making profits for the benefit of shareholders. Given that many of these shareholders happen to be hard working public and private sector employees pensions I cannot see that there is any better purpose that they could perform.

Talking to you DA is like trying to evacuate a particular hard turd from my rectum.

I have told you the function of a corporate: to generate profit. There is no sense of responsibility for a corporate - so we get pollution, exploitation, fraud, monopolies, corruption, greed, protectionism. The corporate is the enemy of the people, we must rise up and fight this monster. And I must flush you DA down the toilet of denial into the sewer of destiny.

[DodgyAgent]

Talking to you DA is like trying to evacuate a particular hard turd from my rectum.

I have told you the function of a corporate: to generate profit. There is no sense of responsibility for a corporate - so we get pollution, exploitation, fraud, monopolies, corruption, greed, protectionism. The corporate is the enemy of the people, we must rise up and fight this monster. And I must flush you DA down the toilet of denial into the sewer of destiny.

I think you have been watching too many films knobjockey. BTW who do you earn your money frm? It may frustrate you to know that the sewer of destiny is my natural habitat.

[Jabberwocky]

I am on the public sector gravey boat DA. Long may she sail, and all who those who sail on her. I am motivated by love and compassion - if I saw you lying down in the street, DA, I would wonder why they didn't clean the sh*t off the pavements.

[Fungus]

Talking to you DA is like trying to evacuate a particular hard turd from my rectum.

I have told you the function of a corporate: to generate profit. There is no sense of responsibility for a corporate - so we get pollution, exploitation, fraud, monopolies, corruption, greed, protectionism. The corporate is the enemy of the people, we must rise up and fight this monster. And I must flush you DA down the toilet of denial into the sewer of destiny.

What complete tulipe. Utterly black and white, simplistic and just plain wrong.

The Knob Jockey rides again. Yee haaa.

A corporate is led by people, and like all of us, some are self centred bastards, some are decent. The legal system exists to reign in the bastard among us. Society is more complex and interdependent than you seem to think. Rather than ranting against imaginary bogey men, you'd do better to fight against the real issues: repressive governments, esp. in the Muslim world, unfair trade with subsidies for Western farmers, lack of education in poor countries that leaves them devestated by aids, increasing CO2 and Methane leading to global warming, yobs who raise undisciplined hordes of welfare dependent yobs. I could go on. But it would be too complex for a foaming at the mouth rabid leftie anti-fat-cat simpleton such as you.

That's why lofties held aloft the Soviet Union as a model for mankind. Except that when the wall came down, the ugly truth behind the propaganda was revealed. Stalin and Mao between them killed tens of millions of people.

Corporates invest in research and development. We have the means to mass produce medicines thanks to corporate. They generate our modern society, air travel, cars, medicines, computers and mobile phones, the media and so on.

How on Earth can you hold such crude opinions and work in IT?

Fungus

[wendigo100]

How on Earth can you hold such crude opinions and work in IT?

Easy - he doesn't hold such crude opinions.

Still, it keeps us amused.

[Jabberwocky]

What complete tulipe. Utterly black and white, simplistic and just plain wrong.

The Knob Jockey rides again. Yee haaa.

A corporate is led by people, and like all of us, some are self centred bastards, some are decent. The legal system exists to reign in the bastard among us. Society is more complex and interdependent than you seem to think. Rather than ranting against imaginary bogey men, you'd do better to fight against the real issues: repressive governments, esp. in the Muslim world, unfair trade with subsidies for Western farmers, lack of education in poor countries that leaves them devestated by aids, increasing CO2 and Methane leading to global warming, yobs who raise undisciplined hordes of welfare dependent yobs. I could go on. But it would be too complex for a foaming at the mouth rabid leftie anti-fat-cat simpleton such as you.

That's why lofties held aloft the Soviet Union as a model for mankind. Except that when the wall came down, the ugly truth behind the propaganda was revealed. Stalin and Mao between them killed tens of millions of people.

Corporates invest in research and development. We have the means to mass produce medicines thanks to corporate. They generate our modern society, air travel, cars, medicines, computers and mobile phones, the media and so on.

How on Earth can you hold such crude opinions and work in IT?

Fungus

Crude to whom Fungas ? Take Enron for example - 6th largest company in the world - brought down by a few corrupt individuals ? Nonsense, Enron and others like it were brought down by the corporate system which is built on greed - implicit and complicit. Laws are there to be twisted as long as those that matter benefit from it. The banks, the lawyers, the accountants were all part of this scandal - they all benefitted from the lies, they turned a blind eye. The corporate structure facilitates the guilt through devolvement of responsibility. We need to go back to smaller companies who are accountable for what they do and the effect they have on others.

No, if you work in IT there is no need to be blinkered by the greed and self-satisfied smugness around you. We need to be individually responsible for our actions and devolve wealth to make everyone more prosperous. If you exploit and manipulate people, and take away their dignity and freedom through economic starvation, they will just take the wealth from you. The capitalists on here don't seem to realise this - they want to a few to be rich, and the rest of the populace in the sweat house or in prision.

[DodgyAgent]

Crude to whom Fungas ? Take Enron for example - 6th largest company in the world - brought down by a few corrupt individuals ? Nonsense, Enron and others like it were brought down by the corporate system which is built on greed - implicit and complicit. Laws are there to be twisted as long as those that matter benefit from it. The banks, the lawyers, the accountants were all part of this scandal - they all benefitted from the lies, they turned a blind eye. The corporate structure facilitates the guilt through devolvement of responsibility. We need to go back to smaller companies who are accountable for what they do and the effect they have on others.

No, if you work in IT there is no need to be blinkered by the greed and self-satisfied smugness around you. We need to be individually responsible for our actions and devolve wealth to make everyone more prosperous. If you exploit and manipulate people, and take away their dignity and freedom through economic starvation, they will just take the wealth from you. The capitalists on here don't seem to realise this - they want to a few to be rich, and the rest of the populace in the sweat house or in prision.

So what system pays for the public service to waste money on employing you?

[Denny]

This is another of those cliches that you lefties love to spout; that corporates are effectively uncaring bastards. Well what precisely is their job exactly? To me they are charged with making profits for the benefit of shareholders. Given that many of these shareholders happen to be hard working public and private sector employees pensions I cannot see that there is any better purpose that they could perform.
If these corporates are indeed ruthless it is because they have to be in order to survive in a global market, so unless we can afford to employ people to build say parts for cars that are no longer made , paying them £30k per year for a two hour week for products that no one wants (remember the miners?) there is no better system for putting people together to create a civilised society.
In your pink and fluffy world of public sector employment where councils promote all the touchy feely bulltulip of caring sharing bollocks about equality and the environment, just remember that these institutions are:

1. Generally useless and fail to deliver anything that works, and in so doing kill off the competitiveness of real business that generate real wealth and

2. actually fail to create a decent working environment anyway. Why? because they do not include any of the dynamics of a successful competitive business. So no responsibility, same pay and promotion no matter how good/bad you are, and poorly motivated sick note culture employees.

So the trendy hypocrisy of pinning your cowardly colours to anti capitalist cliches does not wash/stand up to any logical scrutiny/argument whatsoever.

Go hang yourself. That really would be a service to society.