The official CUK World Cup commentary thread

[sasguru]

Capello was born in Pieris, Italy, in 1946, and made his professional football debut as a midfielder in 1964 with SPAL, where he spent three seasons before moving to Roma, where he won the Italian Cup. He was later sold to Juventus, where he played during the 1970’s. He also played for Italy, and achieved notoriety by scoring a goal for Italy in 1973 to help defeat England at Wembley for the first time ever. He ended his playing career in 1980 with AC Milan.

Capello made his name as a football coach beginning in the early 1990’s, and has won the domestic league title with every team he has managed in his career, including Milan, Real Madrid, Roma and Juventus. He has claimed championship victories in 4 major cities – Milan, Madrid, Rome and Turin – and has led his team to a major league championship in 7 of the 16 seasons in which he has coached. He also once led AC Milan on a run of 58 straight matches without a loss
Oh yeah............HUGELY overrated..............in the mind of a man who knows about as much about football as the average girl guide!



Stick to commenting upon virtual motorbikes you wish you owned sg. Doing that makes you look more than stupid enough. Leave the footy discussions to those that understand the game.

HTH

Your ability to waffle is matched only by your inability to find any insights in the sea of words to which you subject all and sundry.
Which part of Graham Taylor's record is better than Capello's at this stage did you not understand?
And which part of England have not beaten a big team under his reign do you disagree with?
But then given that you're far from the sharpest tool on CUK, I suppose you're part of that fantasy group taht sees Capello as the saviour that will win England the World cup.
Cretin.

[shaunbhoy]

Your ability to quote facts is matched only by my inability to find any insights in the sea of relevant information you put forward

FTFY

Which part of Graham Taylor's record is better than Capello's at this stage did you not understand?

Which is relevant in what way?

And which part of England have not beaten a big team under his reign do you disagree with?

Depends what you class as "big" teams. If we say the top couple of dozen teams in the FIFA rankings are "big", then his record is pretty reasonable.............I have put the opponents FIFA rankings in brackets, in case you have mislaid your copy of the Sun, from which you doubtless garner your footballing opinions.

6/2/08
England 2 Switzerland(24) 1

28/5/08
England 2 USA(14) 0

10/9/08
Croatia(10) 1 England 4

19/11/08
Germany(6) 1 England 2

1/4/09
England 2 Ukraine(23) 1

9/9/9
England 5 Croatia(10) 1

24/5/10
England 3 Mexico(17) 1

England also drew with Holland (currently ranked 4th in the world)
They lost 2-0 away to Spain and narrowly 1-0 to Brazil, both in meaningless friendlies. Outside of that they have not actually played any other "BIG" teams. Only 4 defeats out of 24 matches for Capello. Pretty reasonable stuff really, although YOU obviously know better.

I suppose you're part of that fantasy group taht sees Capello as the saviour that will win England the World cup.

Well if your attention deficit syndrome had not kicked in before you read all of my initial post, you would have seen that I forecast England to possibly reach the semis, but more likely fall in the quarters. Still, staying focused never was a strength of yours. Not that surprising really given your inherent intellectual shortcomings.

[sasguru]

Shome pish, surely

1. The comparison with Turniphead is relevant as everyone seems to think Capello is God. It is instructive to note his record to date is worse than someone who is considered one of the worst managers.

2. Brazil and Spain are precisely the kind of countries that England should be able to beat in "meaningless friendlies"; because this collection of spineless chavs have a tendency to freeze and bottle it in real competition.

3. At least we agree that reaching the quarters would be a reasonable aspiration.

PS Everyone knows FIFA rankings are pish

[shaunbhoy]

1. The comparison with Turniphead is relevant as everyone seems to think Capello is God. It is instructive to note his record to date is worse than someone who is considered one of the worst managers.

Everyone? Linky??

2. Brazil and Spain are precisely the kind of countries that England should be able to beat in "meaningless friendlies"; because this collection of spineless chavs have a tendency to freeze and bottle it in real competition.

Well sometimes they DO beat those sorts of teams in friendlies. Hence the tag "meaningless", because it is no indication of what will happen when the chips are down. And you are being a bit harsh............generally the "freezing" does not kick in until the Penalties stage.

3. At least we agree that reaching the quarters would be a reasonable aspiration.

I doubt it is an aspiration, but a realistic assessment, yes.

PS Everyone knows FIFA rankings are pish

That depends on your nationality. If you belong to one of the larger nations that traditionally get their ranking artificially hiked to ease their passage to the Finals, then they are fine. FIFA and the TV companies are happy as their earning potential goes up. It is only the smaller nations that are unfairly penalised, but when did that ever bother anyone?

[doodab]

That is a big big blow for England, you are down to, maybe, 4 world class players in your team now, Gerrard, Rooney, Cole and (being generous) that twunt Terry. It is not enough to take you far.

I now forecast a scrapping through the group stages and a finding out in the knockouts from an average team.

I would include Lampard and both Coles in that list.

[sasguru]

Everyone? Linky??

Reading any of the pressyou'd think Caps was the new messiah rather than a succesful club manager who's never managed a national side(I think ?)

Well sometimes they DO beat those sorts of teams in friendlies. Hence the tag "meaningless", because it is no indication of what will happen when the chips are down. And you are being a bit harsh............generally the "freezing" does not kick in until the Penalties stage.

I was thinking 2002 against a 10 man Brazil, when they lay down and died in the 2nd half

I doubt it is an aspiration, but a realistic assessment, yes.

QF are their level, I agree

That depends on your nationality. If you belong to one of the larger nations that traditionally get their ranking artificially hiked to ease their passage to the Finals, then they are fine. FIFA and the TV companies are happy as their earning potential goes up. It is only the smaller nations that are unfairly penalised, but when did that ever bother anyone?

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[doodab]

1. The comparison with Turniphead is relevant as everyone seems to think Capello is God. It is instructive to note his record to date is worse than someone who is considered one of the worst managers.

This doesn't bear scrutiny. Fabio Capello has a far better record in competitive matches.

Under Capello we've won 9 out of 10 world cup qualifying matches, scoring 34 goals and conceding 6 in the process.

In the first ten games that mattered (i.e. excluding the "challange cup" mini tournament & friendlies) England under Graham Taylor won 3, lost 1 and drew 6.

During the qualifying campaign for 1994 world cup under Graham Taylor we won 5, drew 3 and lost 2, scoring 26 goals and letting in 9.

In total, during Taylor's 19 competitive games in charge, we won 8, lost 3, scored 34 goals, conceded 14, failed to win a single game at Euro 92 and failed to qualify for the 1994 world cup.

Data Source: England Football Team - News, Fixtures, Results, History, Shirts & Tickets

[sasguru]

This doesn't bear scrutiny. Fabio Capello has a far better record in competitive matches.

Under Capello we've won 9 out of 10 world cup qualifying matches, scoring 34 goals and conceding 6 in the process.

In the first ten games that mattered (i.e. excluding the "challange cup" mini tournament & friendlies) England under Graham Taylor won 3, lost 1 and drew 6.

During the qualifying campaign for 1994 world cup under Graham Taylor we won 5, drew 3 and lost 2, scoring 26 goals and letting in 9.

In total, during Taylor's 19 competitive games in charge, we won 8, lost 3, scored 34 goals, conceded 14, failed to win a single game at Euro 92 and failed to qualify for the 1994 world cup.

Data Source: England Football Team - News, Fixtures, Results, History, Shirts & Tickets

First 21 matches:

Capello W15 D2 L4
Taylor W13 D7 L1

Point being that you can start good and still end up a turnip.

[Bunk]

First 21 matches:

Capello W15 D2 L4
Taylor W13 D7 L1

Point being that you can start good and still end up a turnip.

In what way do you think Taylor's record is better than Capello's? Capello has more wins and if you work it out as points it comes to 47 vs 46.

[shaunbhoy]

Point being that you can start good and still end up a turnip.

So that would be something like.....Good, 1.............piss-poor, 18659 and counting then?