Jolly Hockey Sticks

[BlasterBates]

Interesting obeservations from Joe Bastardi:

CO2 follows temperature:

Note when there's a cold year a lot less extra CO2 is emitted.

For example in 1992 the annual increase was 0.43 ppm after the volcano errupted, and there was siginficant cooling. Just for comparison in 1983 10 years earlier it was 2.16ppm. How can this be? after all didn't man produce far more CO2 in 1992 than 1982?

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp

Maybe Beck (who published a peer reviewed paper demonstrating CO2 goes up and down like a yoyo), who predicts CO2 levels go down if there is cooling might have a point.

[pjclarke]

The sun has so far been excluded by climate scientists:

Nonsense. Prof Mike Lockwood, who authored this study has been studying the sun's influence on climate for decades, as have hundreds of other astrophysicists.

But this seems a turn about face:
There is the caveat, there's still global warming.

There sure is...

Lockwood and colleagues used data from the Central England Temperature record. This provides monthly temperature data from several monitoring stations in central England all the way back to 1659 – the world's longest instrumental temperature record. The researchers first removed the estimated contribution from the warming recorded in the northern hemisphere as a whole over the past century – which is widely believed to have been caused by increasing levels of manmade carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

In other words, to discover trends in English temperatures you must first remove the AGW signal.

But lets face it it is a pretty fundamental shift in thinking.

Let's face it, this is nonsense.

So the cold weather in 2009/2010 is now being attributed to climate change by the sun.
...and it wasn't just Britain was it.
It was China, the US, mainland Europe, most of Asia

The N Hemisphere was hit by the Arctic Osciallation in its cold phase. Globally we've just experienced the warmest Jan-Mar quarter on record.

The question is, if they were so fundamentally wrong on the sun, what else is wrong?

The question is, Will we ever get to the end of this nonsense?

oh and there's a wiggly line on the arctic extent which is getting bigger every year since 2007.

That's two whole summers. Wonder why you picked 2007 as a start date ... Mmmm cherry pie!

ah yes since the sun went quiet.

The solar minimum was late 2009. Besides which those non-existent studies on solar climate influences show a quarter-cycle lag. ...

[Drewster]

...... same old same old.....

...... same old same old.....

C'mon guys - get a room

<note to self - Investigate "ignore list">

[pjclarke]

I'll keep this brief ...

Ernst Beck has only ever been published by Energy and Environment, which will reprint any old rubbish, his work has been thoroughly discredited.

[DodgyAgent]

Mr Pjclarke

You can argue the toss as much as you like but the real issue here is about power and money. I suspect that you have your own agenda and that your job is to work on behalf of people with vested interests in spreading fear about climate change

[BlasterBates]

Ernst Beck has only ever been published by Energy and Environment, which will reprint any old rubbish, his work has been thoroughly discredited.

...in a climate warmist blog.....where else

Now what's the title of this blog?

Rabett Run
Droppings along the bunny trail

ah yes very apt name I thought.

[pjclarke]

Well, I like that particular Beck the Biologist takedown for it's links to real science, but if you prefer there is also this by Dr Georg Hoffmann, a real atmospheric physicist who has published over 30 real papers on atmospheric gases in real academic journals.

[sasguru]

Mr Pjclarke

You can argue the toss as much as you like but the real issue here is about power and money. I suspect that you have your own agenda and that your job is to work on behalf of people with vested interests in spreading fear about climate change

It seems PJ is backing up his arguments with links to real science whereas you just argue with a collection of prejudices you've acquired from the Telegraph.

HTH.

[DodgyAgent]

It seems PJ is backing up his arguments with links to real science whereas you just argue with a collection of prejudices you've acquired from the Telegraph.

HTH.

Whether climate change is or isnt caused by man is a side issue. All I have to go on is to look at the people on either side of the argument and then look at the income and power trail behind these people.

Some are rabid capitalists who would burn the entire planet if there was a buck in it, some are spoilt middle class brats suffering from attention deficit syndrome , some are talentless socialists with a chip on their shoulder who want to redistribute wealth (in their own direction), and others are state funded boffins with nothing much for their bunsen burners to do.

So my conclusion is that climate change is simply nothing more than one section of society trying to screw money and power out of another section of society.

[sasguru]

Whether climate change is or isnt caused by man is a side issue. All I have to go on is to look at the people on either side of the argument and then look at the income and power trail behind these people.

Some are rabid capitalists who would burn the entire planet if there was a buck in it, some are spoilt middle class brats suffering from attention deficit syndrome , some are talentless socialists with a chip on their shoulder who want to redistribute wealth (in their own direction), and others are state funded boffins with nothing much for their bunsen burners to do.

So my conclusion is that climate change is simply nothing more than one section of society trying to screw money and power out of another section of society.

Every man and his dog has an opinion.
And the reason why people use the scientific method is precisely to separate valid opinions from crap ones like yours.
Why do you think the West became rich in the first place?
Because it replaced superstitions and opinions with empiricism and science.
And now we're going backwards again.

Stick to pimping, you may be Ok at that.