Seeking asylum from Canada

[Paddy]

They don't want to learn language, culture, integrate in society - funnily enough they don't want to go back live in Russia even though it's just across the border.

I believe majority of them did the right thing - did learn the language, passed exams and got EU passport. There are still those who would not or can not - tough luck - you can't expect to be a citizen and refuse to speak local language especially considering history of occupation of Baltic states - Russians who moved there 50 years ago were effectively colonists designed to mix up local population in order to get firmer grip on the colony.

That is like saying if Scotland became independent it would be OK to ban the English language and only Scottish speakers could have citizenship.

[AtW]

Bollox

I think you are bollox mate.

Stats (Q1 2008):

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/asylumq108.pdf

Page 19: only like 70 people in Q1 2008 from whole of europe which includes former USSR. 5 from Russia. FIVE - take these 3 dead now and it would be high death rate among Russian asylum seekers.

[AtW]

That is like saying if Scotland became independent it would be OK to ban the English language and only Scottish speaker could have citizenship.

Scottish language (Gaelic) is non existant (IMHO).

A much better example is Wales - if it became independent then I reckon the main language would be Welsh, and those who refuse to learn it and pass exam won't get Welsh passport: maybe not as they are too tightly joined up with England, same border big time and LIFESTYLE NOT much different - Russia and Baltic states are totally different countries.

More importantly - Baltic states were occupied just 60 years ago - there are still people alive there who know what it is to hear NKVD knock on the doors in the middle of the night, nothing of that kind on that scale happened in Wales.

[Paddy]

I think you are bollox mate.

Stats (Q1 2008):

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/asylumq108.pdf

Page 19: only like 70 people in Q1 2008 from whole of europe which includes former USSR. 5 from Russia. FIVE - take these 3 dead now and it would be high death rate among Russian asylum seekers.

See EU Accession States

[shaunbhoy]

A much better example is Wales - if it became independent then I reckon the main language would be Welsh, and those who refuse to learn it and pass exam won't get Welsh passport

Cripes!! I bet they'd be crushed!!

[AtW]

See EU Accession States

EU Accession States(2), page 19: total number of people who applied for Asylum... 0 (nil).

Next page shows previous years - in 2005 total number of people who applied for asylum from all EU Accession States was 130 in whole of the year ... they must be really oppressed there, hundreds of thousands according to you are gagging to get out from Baltic states hell and get asylum in the UK!

Conclusion - your assertion was false, not the first time you speak about things you don't have a clue about, so for the future remember: if you want to say something about Russian related politics or economics - DON'T.

[AtW]

I mean FFS, Baltic states are members of Schengen zone - anyone inside there (including those "Aliens") can fairly easily get to Europe, not to the UK since there are actual border checks.

Russia recently tried to get those aliens to go back and live in Russia, funnily enough almost nobody took on this offer despite alleged "oppression" etc.

[Paddy]

EU Accession States(2), page 19: total number of people who applied for Asylum... 0 (nil).

Next page shows previous years - in 2005 total number of people who applied for asylum from all EU Accession States was 130 in whole of the year ... they must be really oppressed there, hundreds of thousands according to you are gagging to get out from Baltic states hell and get asylum in the UK!

Conclusion - your assertion was false, not the first time you speak about things you don't have a clue about, so for the future remember: if you want to say something about Russian related politics or economics - DON'T.

15 in 2007 23 in 2008

[AtW]

15 in 2007 23 in 2008

Quiet. Massive numbers ain't they?

Here is what you said earlier:

Asylum is not just given for political reasons, it can be give if the person is in fear of his or her life, or rape by criminals.

Most Russian asylum seekers are not from Russia but from Latvia and Estonia. When these countries became independent they did not give passports to Russian speakers hence there are thousands (if not millions) of stateless Russians without passports and they are forbidden to work in their own country. (There are seven million Russian speakers in the EU) In theory these countries should not have been admitted to the EU but a blind eye was turned to their practice. The ridiculous situation is that the UK is accepting refugees from these two EU countries but the UK does not protest in the European parliament about the illegal way these two countries treats Russian speakers.

It's not an ****ing problem at all - numbers claiming asylum prove it clearly, well - at least for the UK it's not a problem numbers wise - look at top 10 countries with most asylum apps - proper 3rd world.

[Paddy]

Quiet. Massive numbers ain't they?

Here is what you said earlier:



It's not an ****ing problem at all - numbers claiming asylum prove it clearly, well - at least for the UK it's not a problem numbers wise - look at top 10 countries with most asylum apps - proper 3rd world.

I have withdrawn my vote for you.