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    Bill Nighy

    And here is another example of a priviliged rich idiot "doing his bit" to help the poor with other people's money.

    Where exactly has any government anywhere displayed any competence in turning tax revenue into helping poor people? We may not like bankers and their wealth but their money is better spent on yachts flash cars and hookers than it is by HM govt.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-Hood-Tax.html

    'A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain." Mark Twain's quote of more than a century ago shows that banks have long had an image problem. But it hardly does justice to the opprobrium heaped on the financial sector since the collapse of Lehman Brothers 16 months ago precipitated a worldwide economic crisis.

    Banks have been painted as up-market welfare scroungers reliant on government handouts to fund a lavish lifestyle, as reckless gamblers who ruined the world economy and as greedy Sheriff of Nottingham types who get rich at the expense of those around them.


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    Australia may have lost the Ashes, but its economy is batting aheadBut what if, instead of being the Sheriff of Nottingham, banks had the chance to become Robin Hood?

    An unprecedented coalition of domestic charities, aid agencies, trade unions, faith organisations and green groups have come together today to campaign in support of a Robin Hood Tax that aims to turn banks from the pantomime villains of the world economy into its dashing heroes.

    The fact is that a tiny tax on the transactions – shares, bonds, foreign currency and derivatives – of the financial institutions that caused the recession could make a massive difference to people at home and abroad who have to live with its consequences.

    So when Richard Curtis called and asked me to play the part of a banker in a short film to launch the campaign I did not have to think twice. Of course we argued about the suit I would wear – and the tie – but not about the content. Richard has an exemplary record in fighting poverty from Comic Relief to Make Poverty History. But this campaign could have the biggest impact of the lot.

    As my character is forced to admit, an average global levy of about 0.05 per cent, starting at just 5p for every £1,000 traded, would raise hundreds of billions of pounds (some experts say up to £250 billion) to preserve crucial services here at home, take urgent action on climate change, and do huge things to fight poverty and save lives abroad.

    When you realise that all this could be achieved by a tax on transactions between banks, with high street customers unaffected, there is a temptation to start looking for the catch.

    Of course there will be a lot of argument about it – it is high economics. Opponents argue that such a tax might damage the City of London and we argue that the city could sustain it and that it's worth working out something if the benefits could be so large, and consistent, year by year.

    This is the key thing to me. Clearly there have been major mistakes and imbalances in the world of finance over the past few years. Apparently, the global financial sector is now worth 60 times as much as the real economy – and there has been a massive increase in profits and activity without a parallel increase in taxation. We pay VAT of 17.5 per cent on most things we buy, but people who make money from buying and selling currency, for instance, don't pay tax on that at all. Lord Turner, chairman of the Financial Services Authority, pointed out last year that much financial activity is socially useless. Let's use this moment to put that right; let the new contract with the banks be socially crucial.

    All three political parties have promised to fight child poverty in this country. All are determined to tackle climate change, and all have promised to support the Millennium Development Goals that will halve extreme poverty by 2015. But in such tough times, where is the money to fulfil those mighty promises going to come from?

    We propose the Robin Hood Tax. As an Oxfam global ambassador, I know that sometimes people are concerned that a great deal of charitable energy is directed overseas when we still have serious problems at home. The advantage of the Robin Hood Tax it that it would raise enough money to solve problems at home and overseas. And it can do it without hurting ordinary people – this is a tax on bank-to-bank transactions that would not hit the high street.

    Just imagine how the public's view of the financial sector would change if it could claim responsibility for halving child poverty in Britain, providing a proper fund to tackle climate change, and meeting the Millennium Development goals to cut child deaths by two thirds worldwide, maternal mortality by two thirds and tackle malaria and HIV/Aids.

    Many people have already realised the possibilities of a Robin Hood Tax. A YouGov poll for Oxfam showed that more than twice as many people support the tax than oppose it – it could indeed be the first poplar tax in history – and today hundreds of economists have joined the campaign in calling for its introduction.

    Now I'd ask our leaders to think about it seriously – to come up with a brilliant, new, modern source of money in a new decade. It is not too late to turn a crisis for banks into a huge opportunity for the world.
    Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

    #2
    Why don’t people who campaign for more taxes just voluntarily pay more tax?
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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      #3
      What people who call for higher taxes really mean is "I'm in favour of higher taxes on someone else"
      I'm Spartacus.

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        #4
        Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
        And here is another example of a priviliged rich idiot "doing his bit" to help the poor with other people's money.
        The secret is in this bit:

        When you realise that all this could be achieved by a tax on transactions between banks, with high street customers unaffected, there is a temptation to start looking for the catch.

        He speaks as if it is economics with no cost. This does not exist.

        The cost is not the dramatic one of the risk of scaring bankers away from London and so losing their business, profits, and taxes. It's the mundane and almost invisible one that it will cost the banks something, however little, and this cost will ultimately be passed on to customers; not necessarily as a deliberate and precise action, but as a result of their higher costs.

        It is not cost-free: he just can't see the cost.
        Step outside posh boy

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          #5
          Originally posted by Tarquin Farquhar View Post
          It's the mundane and almost invisible one that it will cost the banks something, however little, and this cost will ultimately be passed on to customers; not necessarily as a deliberate and precise action, but as a result of their higher costs.

          It is not cost-free: he just can't see the cost.
          So true.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Tarquin Farquhar View Post
            It is not cost-free: he just can't see the cost.
            Doubling national debt to bail out banks is that cost.

            Investment banks aka "New Age Casinos" don't have consumers to speak of - the true cost of their activities is passed down via increases in oil prices and other commodities. So long as those casinos can gamble on the market it will happen, with or without taxes unless those taxes are designed to stop them from gambling in the first place.

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              #7
              Originally posted by AtW View Post
              Doubling national debt to bail out banks is that cost.

              Investment banks aka "New Age Casinos" don't have consumers to speak of - the true cost of their activities is passed down via increases in oil prices and other commodities. So long as those casinos can gamble on the market it will happen, with or without taxes unless those taxes are designed to stop them from gambling in the first place.

              A form of Tobin tax has existed in the UK for decades its called Stamp duty on shares.

              Who pays it?

              Not the banks, its pensions funds that hold retirement funds for normal people who pay it.

              Likewise if a tax on FX transactions is introduced, the banks will find ways around, while businesses that need to convert money will end up getting hit.

              Same with commodity Futures. An airline that wants to hedge its fuel costs will get hit with the tax not Goldman Sachs.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Iron Condor View Post
                An airline that wants to hedge its fuel costs will get hit with the tax not Goldman Sachs.
                I have no problem with airline hedging risks. I do have problem with GS buying en masse oil they would not use and using super tanker to store it thus making demand artificially increase and ultimately pushing prices up (or down) as they see fit.

                Banks should be investing into real businesses - like airlines, or oil companies that get oil, not speculate on stuff they don't intend to use or hold for a long time.

                In your example Tobin tax won't hit airline - only those who make a lot of transactions will suffer, so speculators who play on Forex and shares trying to make money from small changes will be stuffed.

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                  #9
                  I'm sure there are other places to raise revenue.

                  HMG could stop fannying around chasing contractors for piffling amounts and concentrate on the Phillip Greens of this country. Biggest corporate dividend in history, paid to the wife, Monaco resident, nil tax.

                  That is just wrong...
                  Older and ...well, just older!!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ratewhore View Post
                    I'm sure there are other places to raise revenue.

                    HMG could stop fannying around chasing contractors for piffling amounts and stop pissing away money on useless tosh like ID cards, wars in Iraq and quangos
                    ftfy
                    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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