muslim coppers

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Speaking as somebody with quite a few Muslim friends and having a good understanding of the religion, you will find that muslims are most annoyed about terrorism that anybody else. For one they are the biggest victims of it i.e. iraq, pakistan, afghanistan. More so because of the image it gives them.

Extremism happened in all religions at some point in time e.g. the crusades and eventually it will be wiped out when people see sense.

Considering there are over 2 million Muslims in the UK, the extremists form no more than 5% of that population and you will find the rest with such a wide range of political views like everybody else.

Those 5% are a problem and to learn who they are, how to spot them etc it is best to ask the Muslims themselves, I imagine they are just as keen if not more keen of getting rid of them than we are....

[EC4N]

9/11 was justifiable revenge for the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan too.

What a complete load of cods wallop. A bunch of men armed with box-cutters really did slam into the most secure building in the U.S sending Don Rumsfeld running into the street?

Equating the BNP with terrorist attacks is another load of drivel.

[Doggy Styles]

What a complete load of cods wallop. A bunch of men armed with box-cutters really did slam into the most secure building in the U.S sending Don Rumsfeld running into the street?

Equating the BNP with terrorist attacks is another load of drivel.

I think xog was being ironic. Or post-ironic, I'm not sure.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Only another 3 or 4 centuries of this then.

Hopefully with the use of modern technology we can speed it up somewhat. The biggest problem with the extremists is ignorence and intolerance. You will find those educated in religion able to demolish any extremist in a debate. These guys work purely on emotion and not intellectual argument. So the problem is how do you defeat this one-tracked, closed minded, emotional mentality?

Answer: Use the tool which they are twisting to suite their own political objectives. Once you show them the stupidity of their beliefs (having got passed those with any open mindedness at all) then they will change their views. I have met several people who have done exactly that gone 180 degrees.

Equating the BNP with terrorist attacks is another load of drivel.

There are similarties between the BNP and extremists - they are both intolerant, close minded and not willing to accept others. However, the terrorists of today are another breed of human altogether. Religion actually means nothing to them as they are willing to kill 100s belonging to their very own religion.

[Doggy Styles]

In the "get your revenge in first" sort of way.

Like Llap Goch, eh zeity?

[Tarquin Farquhar]

Speaking as somebody with quite a few Muslim friends and having a good understanding of the religion, you will find that muslims are most annoyed about terrorism that anybody else. For one they are the biggest victims of it i.e. iraq, pakistan, afghanistan. More so because of the image it gives them.

Extremism happened in all religions at some point in time e.g. the crusades and eventually it will be wiped out when people see sense.

Considering there are over 2 million Muslims in the UK, the extremists form no more than 5% of that population and you will find the rest with such a wide range of political views like everybody else.

Those 5% are a problem and to learn who they are, how to spot them etc it is best to ask the Muslims themselves, I imagine they are just as keen if not more keen of getting rid of them than we are....

Every word of that is true, and must be kept in mind.

But not a word of it is any reason not to concentrate on Muslims when looking for terrorism.

Of course an overwhelming majority of Muslims do not support terrorism, but an even more overwhelming majority of terrorists are Muslims.

[xoggoth]

There is a big flaw in comparisons of Christianity in previous centuries to Islam today. The atrocities perpetrated by Christianity bore no relation to the peaceful teachings of Christ in the new testament, whereas the intolerance Islam Islam shows to those who do not submit is exactly what the prophet taught.

Cutting off the hands of thieves, cutting off the hands and feet of a whole tribe who offended him, digging up all the corpses in a non Muslim cemetary, having adulterers stoned. You will find it all in the Haddiths hidden amidst all the trivia and obsession with bodily functions.

Take a look at the examples Islamists like to give of tolerant Islam, they are about Muslims treating decently those who accepted their rule in Spain and elsewhere. The tolerance of Islam is that of the master for his obedient slaves. You can see that in Muslim countries today, assuming there is any tolerance at all that is, practice your religion in private and very, very quietly and you should be ok.

The teachings of Christianity are general moral principles which even us atheists have no objection to. That is not the same thing as the irrational stance of insisting we base our laws now and forever on the supposed sayings of an 8th century figure. Thou shalt not steal is fine, cutting off hands isn't.

Islamic terrorism may be in part a current fashion among young men, it may die out as quickly as the hippy movement did if we get more sensible foreign policies. The real issue is the threat the political creed of Islam presents to rational laws, individual freedom and the idea that we should enjoy life instead of wasting it in a miserable and joyless pursuit of a non existent afterlife.

[Churchill]

These Muslim coppers (and Jewish ones for that matter), are we still allowed to call them 'pigs'?

Until you require their help.

Pride
Integrity
Guts

[AZZIK]

Muslims might well be right to find the BNP scary, but the subject was terrorism. And that's one that is pretty much 100% Muslim these days.

Of course that doesn't mean that Muslims are 100% terrorists. But if you are trying to stop terrorism, then looking anywhere but among Islamists is a waste of time.

http://www.asianimage.co.uk/uk/48534...atred_charges/

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

There is a big flaw in comparisons of Christianity in previous centuries to Islam today. The atrocities perpetrated by Christianity bore no relation to the peaceful teachings of Christ in the new testament, whereas the intolerance Islam Islam shows to those who do not submit is exactly what the prophet taught.

Cutting off the hands of thieves, cutting off the hands and feet of a whole tribe who offended him, digging up all the corpses in a non Muslim cemetary, having adulterers stoned. You will find it all in the Haddiths hidden amidst all the trivia and obsession with bodily functions.

Take a look at the examples Islamists like to give of tolerant Islam, they are about Muslims treating decently those who accepted their rule in Spain and elsewhere. The tolerance of Islam is that of the master for his obedient slaves. You can see that in Muslim countries today, assuming there is any tolerance at all that is, practice your religion in private and very, very quietly and you should be ok.

The teachings of Christianity are general moral principles which even us atheists have no objection to. That is not the same thing as the irrational stance of insisting we base our laws now and forever on the supposed sayings of an 8th century figure. Thou shalt not steal is fine, cutting off hands isn't.

Islamic terrorism may be in part a current fashion among young men, it may die out as quickly as the hippy movement did if we get more sensible foreign policies. The real issue is the threat the political creed of Islam presents to rational laws, individual freedom and the idea that we should enjoy life instead of wasting it in a miserable and joyless pursuit of a non existent afterlife.

This is the perception amongst some people but other religions also have a lot of things which one could pick on e.g. stoning to death of the adulterer was also practiced amongst jews/christians "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

The thing with history is that it is not as clear cut as we may think. There are different versions of history.

Having questioned Muslims on these issues, I have found that they are a lot more intellectual on these issues and debate them amongst themselves. I have also found a lot of answers which really showed that a lot of the misconceptions you point to may be untrue.

They are the type of arguments BNP use against Muslims and it is a shame that they are being used my a lot more moderate people. At the end of the day everybody has a right to have their own beliefs and views be it in terms of religion, politics or whatever. So long as that person does not infringe on the rights of others then he/she is to be treated equally. Otherwise we will end up going backwards to the days when groups and peoples were discriminated against.