The law is an ass

[hyperD]

Incidentally, it was claimed in court that his assailants, who had been attacked by him after an argument, were acting in self defence, but they still got life for murder because their response was totally disproportionate, and quite right too. Or should they have been let off as well?

No, because instead of beating the crap out of him (to teach him a lesson or whatever) they killed him and set out to kill him.

This is a different situation from defending yourself and your family within your own home.

And High Wycombe is the same as Staines, Slough, Bedford, Luton... and the same as most towns with their victims, their disturbances, their unrest. Most towns are tulipholes and yes I agree, it's subjective in its comparison, but High Wycombe is definately a tuliphole having worked there for 2 years.

[threaded]

With the exception of the town centre (which is exceptional in any town or city) High Wycombe has average levels of crime, whether compared with the rest of Thames Valley or with England and Wales as a whole.

That map is nonsense. The only thing it is below the national average on is sexual offences. I looked at the raw data.

[EternalOptimist]

That would almost certainly be justifiable self defence, assuming that it was the minimum level of force necessary.

what a spineless turd of an answer.

I didnt ask you about the legal or philosophical or googly niceties,
I asked you if you would DO it.

an unknown terrifying invader(s) in your home.
rendered powerless.
wife forced to her knees, hands tied behind her back
wife forced to grovel around on her hands and knees between bedrooms

just think about that for a second NF

[Cliphead]

what a spineless turd of an answer.

I didnt ask you about the legal or philosophical or googly niceties,
I asked you if you would DO it.

an unknown terrifying invader(s) in your home.
rendered powerless.
wife forced to her knees, hands tied behind her back
wife forced to grovel around on her hands and knees between bedrooms

just think about that for a second NF

For me no contest, reap the whirlwind.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

I can't say what I would do - never having been in that situation. However, I hope that I would do whatever I could to stop it from continuing including hitting the bad guy with a cricket bat if I had one (whilst he was still in my house and still a threat).

Once the baddies had left, I hope I'd be concentrating on looking after my family, not going to a pals and getting tooled up to beat the crap out of the perpetrators.

Wanting a civilised society doesn't equate to sitting around letting baddies do whatever to your wife and family, however much you Chuck Norris fans try and pretend it does.

[RichardCranium]

Threaded is 100% correct, you have a duty, and you should have the legal right to protect your own, from those that would do you harm.

They were not protecting their own. The baddies were running away. They got two mates and chased them and then damn near beat one to death. They could have given him a good kicking then sat on him until the Police came.

If someone broke into my home and threatened mine God knows what I would do to them.

Including once they were running away down the road? The beating did not occur in the house. It was away from the premises.

This is a different situation from defending yourself and your family within your own home.

This did not occur in the family home.


The two brothers were not defending anyone.

They were not carrying out a citizen's arrest.

They were not teaching someone a lesson.

They were, with two other people whose identity has still not been admitted, holding him down and smashing his skull in with weapons.

This was not self-defence.

This was not lashing out in response to being hit.

Nor was it teaching someone a lesson.

Being up the road from the house and smashing someone's skull with weapons when they are being held down is attempted murder, yet these two did not even get charged with ABH, they merely got GBH.

They have got off very lightly.


Would you, really, in these circumstances, fetch a couple of mates and some weapons and then chase them down the road and smash in the skull of one of them in broad daylight in front of witnesses (they were watched by the neighbours)?

Because I have been on the receiving end of more than one assault and I know I can control my response. And it would not and did not include going out in a gang to try to kill someone.

[Cliphead]

Because I have been on the receiving end of more than one assault and I know I can control my response.

Me too, See above post, fck em.

[George Parr]

I hope he managed to get compensation for the damage to his cricket bat.

[OwlHoot]

what a spineless turd of an answer.

I didnt ask you about the legal or philosophical or googly niceties,
I asked you if you would DO it.

an unknown terrifying invader(s) in your home.
rendered powerless.
wife forced to her knees, hands tied behind her back
wife forced to grovel around on her hands and knees between bedrooms

just think about that for a second NF

In this scenario can we be a pig farmer?

OH in "You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig tulip, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig"" mode

[NickFitz]

what a spineless turd of an answer.

I didnt ask you about the legal or philosophical or googly niceties,
I asked you if you would DO it.

an unknown terrifying invader(s) in your home.
rendered powerless.
wife forced to her knees, hands tied behind her back
wife forced to grovel around on her hands and knees between bedrooms

just think about that for a second NF

There something wrong with vBulletin - it's chopped off half your post:

then the invaders have gone

you could stay and help your wife and children

instead you go off and round up your brother and a couple of mates

while your family are still grovelling around frightened and weeping

and you catch one of these guys

and you could easily restrain him until the Police arrive

but instead you batter him with a cricket bat

and when the Police arrive they arrest all of you

and because you took the law into your own hands you and your brother go to prison

and the guy who did that to your family goes free because of the injuries you inflicted on him

and you look like a stupid cock who was more concerned about avenging a bruised ego than looking after your family and making sure those who had attacked them were brought to justice

and then you're lucky to end up with a suspended sentence while your brother remains inside

and you probably don't realise, even then, that you've caused even more harm and grief to your family by your stupidity than they had already suffered

because you're the big man, and oh yes you showed that guy

and your ego is nice and fat

and you can go around boasting about how you gave him a good hiding

and how even when you were inside you stood up to the hard men

and how you wouldn't let yourself be beaten by the system

and how no matter what the law says, you have no regrets

and your children ask "Daddy, has the man who hurt us been locked up like you were?" and you have to say "No, he couldn't be locked up because of what I did to him"

and your wife asks "How do we know he won't come back?" and you say "I can't be sure, because of what I did to him"

and your wife and children ask "So what was the point of doing what you did?"

...and then what do you say?