Contractor finds himself agreeing with the Daily Mail

[Pondlife]

i have to agree with diver

the users only crime is to purchase illegal goods for personal use

this is completely different to the pushers crime of actively managing the distribution line for illegal goods

the drugs laws need reviewing - class c's and possible b's need to become legal and controlled leaving more resources to fight the real life destroying class a's

The users only crime(s) are almost certainly not limited to the purchase of illicit product when it comes to addictive class A drugs. Where do you suppose the cash required comes from? The sale of Babyshambles CDs aside.


The second point is touched on here.

[Jet Setter]

This debate has got very spirited, but given the topic it's to be expected.

It's not black and white when it comes to separating dealers and users. Very often they are the same people. A lot of the time the dealers started as users. In the end there's not too many cases where users are made to take drugs.

As Original PM said, if there was no demand and not big wide profit margins then there wouldn't be dealers. In the end the majority of drug users have made a choice to use them. Images of people hanging around schools pushing drugs are simply not true. I've known poor people, rich people, people with good and bad families who have become both users and dealers.

I don't think killing dealers or anyone for that matter is the answer. The death penalty has been proven time and time again not to be a deterrent. It sucks for the people caught but the it doesn't stop the thousands of other mules, rapists and murderers who still commit crimes punishable by death.

Government regulation, decriminalisation could be a way of getting the criminal element out but no politician would ever dare do it.

That's just my two cents

[Diver]

I've already stated that juveniles are dealt with differently and I make no distinction between dealers and users old enough to understand the consequences of their actions. No backing down there just clarifying what I've already said.

As has already been stated if there's no demand then there is no dealing. Users are as much parasites as dealers and both should suffer the same consequences, I stand by that conviction.

The minimum estimate for drug addicts in the uk is 320,000, with an upper limit of 1.1 million, this figure does not include an estimated 60,000 child users.

So we put all these in prison too?

Get real for gods sake!

[Cliphead]

The minimum estimate for drug addicts in the uk is 320,000, with an upper limit of 1.1 million, this figure does not include an estimated 60,000 child users.

So we put all these in prison too?

Get real for gods sake!

And how many of those estimated numbers are also dealers? Most users deal to support their habit, you want to execute all of them?

[lje]

I whole heartedly support the Chinese government's right to have their own laws and their own punishments. They are a very different society and have their own way of handling things. I think the pressure put on them to change these laws is ridiculous.

Having said that I am proud to come from a country where we don't have the death penalty. I feel that if killing is wrong then it is also wrong for society to kill people. The concequence of being found guilty of a crime should be to the benefit of society - either through rehabilitation or through locking people up so that they cannot commit further crimes. It seems to me that punishment appeals to the baser parts of our human nature. What outcome do we want? For people to be punished or to have a safer society? The threat of punishment doesn't seem to have much of an impact on the people commiting crimes - but perhaps rehabilitation and locking people up to protect society can achieve the overall aim?

[Diver]

And how many of those estimated numbers are also dealers? Most users deal to support their habit, you want to execute all of them?

All dealers (Except Children)

[Cliphead]

All dealers (Except Children)

And if half the lower estimate are dealers you would execute 160,000 people.

Get real.

[Diver]

And if half the lower estimate are dealers you would execute 160,000 people.

Get real.

There are an estimated 20-25,000 class A middle and major drug dealers in the UK, several thousand already in prison

Currently, around two-thirds of prisoners are re-convicted within two years of release, 72% OF DRUG DEALERS IMMEDIATELY RE-OFFEND ON RELEASE FROM PRISON.

Kill them and they won't be able to re-offend. I can live with that

[original PM]

I can see where you are coming from Diver - problem is as quick as you bump em off more will take their place.

ok we could go on a cleansing mission but we all know the people in charge of it would use it to their own ends and it would end being more than just drug pushers who get targetted.

if you just shot all the Chavs that would make the situation a lot clearer I reckon

[Diver]

I can see where you are coming from Diver - problem is as quick as you bump em off more will take their place.

ok we could go on a cleansing mission but we all know the people in charge of it would use it to their own ends and it would end being more than just drug pushers who get targetted.

if you just shot all the Chavs that would make the situation a lot clearer I reckon

Ok, a caught in the act rule for second offence dealers, if they are caught dealing again, with supporting photographic evidence and witness testimony, just shoot them.

If mules are caught at the entry ports carrying, then just shoot them.

First offenders get 10 years hard labour and serve 10 years, major dealers get 20, not this pathetic 14 years and out in 6 for good behaviour.