Contractor finds himself agreeing with the Daily Mail

[original PM]

an interesting debate - which looks like it may sprial out of control.

Fact - trafficking drugs in many countries attracts the death penalty or worse life imprisonment (I mean life).

Fact - if there was no market for the drugs no one would take the risks to traffic them.

Fact - peer pressure and pushers create a market and always target the weak.


Question does this mean that we in the UK should have the death penatly for drug trafficking? and if so is it all drugs, just class a's etc???

[Diver]

I'm a scumbag because I don't believe in the death penalty? I'm a scumbag because I think dealers and users should be treated equally as harshly?

You're not being very rational.

It is estimated that there could be in excess of 60,000 school children in the UK addicted to drugs

You are advocating that these 60,000 children be put to death or punished in the same way that the dealers are.

I am advocating that the dealers be put to death not the children who are the victims.

Who do you think is the scumbag?

[Diver]

an interesting debate - which looks like it may sprial out of control.

Fact - trafficking drugs in many countries attracts the death penalty or worse life imprisonment (I mean life).

Fact - if there was no market for the drugs no one would take the risks to traffic them.

Fact - peer pressure and pushers create a market and always target the weak.


Question does this mean that we in the UK should have the death penalty for drug trafficking? and if so is it all drugs, just class a's etc???

Yes we should have the death penalty for class A drugs.

Note: Current research indicates that Dealers are currently adding Heroin and other class A's to Cannabis throughout the UK to make Cannabis/Marijuana more addictive. they are targeting children as well as adults.

[Cliphead]

It is estimated that there could be in excess of 60,000 school children in the UK addicted to drugs

You are advocating that these 60,000 children be put to death or punished in the same way that the dealers are.

I am advocating that the dealers be put to death not the children who are the victims.

Who do you think is the scumbag?

Children who break the law are subject to juvenile punishments so no change there. Adults however should be held fully accountable for their actions and dealt with severely with no distinction between dealer and user. I don't agree with putting people to death under any circumstances.

So why do you think I'm a scumbag because I would like to see dealers / users dealt with harshly short of execution?

[original PM]

that is an interesting point about adding Herion etc to gange to make it more addictive - i had heard of a number of different mixtures going on all being sold under the guise of pot.

but in some ways this should point to a reason to legalise pot - then anyone who does have the odd joint knows what they are getting.

if people still want to migrate to the harder stuff well I do not think there is much we can do.

You see problem is there is to much money in it - one mule gets caught and killed plenty more to fill the space.

[Diver]

Children who break the law are subject to juvenile punishments so no change there. Adults however should be held fully accountable for their actions and dealt with severely with no distinction between dealer and user. I don't agree with putting people to death under any circumstances.

So why do you think I'm a scumbag because I would like to see dealers / users dealt with harshly short of execution?

What you are advocating is equal punishment.

The dealer gets 20 years in prison, the 8 year old child addict gets 20 years in prison.

Or are you now backing down?

Because I stand by my convictions, Death to all drug traffickers, and thank you to the Chinese government for removing another parasite.

[Cliphead]

What you are advocating is equal punishment.

The dealer gets 20 years in prison, the 8 year old child addict gets 20 years in prison.

Or are you now backing down?

Because I stand by my convictions, Death to all drug traffickers, and thank you to the Chinese government for removing another parasite.

I've already stated that juveniles are dealt with differently and I make no distinction between dealers and users old enough to understand the consequences of their actions. No backing down there just clarifying what I've already said.

As has already been stated if there's no demand then there is no dealing. Users are as much parasites as dealers and both should suffer the same consequences, I stand by that conviction.

[original PM]

i have to agree with diver

the users only crime is to purchase illegal goods for personal use

this is completely different to the pushers crime of actively managing the distribution line for illegal goods

the drugs laws need reviewing - class c's and possible b's need to become legal and controlled leaving more resources to fight the real life destroying class a's

[Cliphead]

the users only crime is to purchase illegal goods for personal use

And help perpetuate the cycle and keep the dealers targetting children?

Paying for illegal drugs also helps fund other types of crime, shouldn't that be taken into consideration as well?

[original PM]

And help perpetuate the cycle and keep the dealers targetting children?

Paying for illegal drugs also helps fund other types of crime, shouldn't that be taken into consideration as well?

No - some of the money you use to buy petrol will be killing someone somewhere - just because it is legal to buy the petrol does not mean your money is not supporitng criminal activity.