Peoplesoft bloke 'ave it...

[Diver]

Burglers are people too!

If you cut them, do they not bleed?

Oh Yeh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEfGpwJHodE

[Coalman]

Great solution. All live in such fear you need to keep knifes' next to the bed ...

Perhaps we'd be better off punishing criminals and making their lifes harder should they decide to break into someone's house ... dunno.

Read my post again - I do not do this.

Society is not so fcked up to need this yet, not in my experience.
This probably reflects on where I live rather than a true universal representation of modern Britain.

[TimberWolf]

Presumably any change in law would be applicable to burglars too. So an armed householder confronting a (suspected/alleged) burglar, and who as a consequence of a gun pointing/firing session comes out dead, shouldn't have anything to moan about. In fact he could be dead happy as the law allowed the burglar to protect himself using reasonable force.

[AtW]

Presumably any change in law would be applicable to burglars too.

It won't apply to burglars unless they choose to burgle their own house.

[TimberWolf]

It won't apply to burglars unless they choose to burgle their own house.

Burglars can't legally defend themselves using reasonable force?

[Scary]

Wow! A real step forwards. Not grossly disproportionate force is far more reasonable than reasonable force although reasonable force would also be not grossly disproportionate.

[AtW]

Burglars can't legally defend themselves using reasonable force?

Not if they are in process of committing crime by burgling someone else's house. In this case any "self defense" from their side should be treated as aggravated action.

It's like asking if armed bank robbers are entitled to self defense from the police, of course not.

[NickFitz]

AtW: Hark is that a burglar I hear? <GRABS GUN> <BANG> <DEAD BURGLAR>

NF: (Judge) He was invading your property - your innocent of murder but guilty of owning a firearm without a license.

OR

AtW: Hark is that a burglar I hear? <GRABS GUN> <CHASES BURGLAR DOWN STREET> <BANG> <DEAD BURGLAR>

NF: (Judge) HANG HIM! HANG HIM!

My views are being misrepresented here.

Corrected version:

Anybody: OMFG! The Daily Mail says that the Tories are promising me the Earth, the Moon, a Pony, and a Unicorn! FFS, the Tories are my saviours, I'm wetting myself with anticipation at the thought of voting for them!!!?1!11!!

Me: The Daily Mail prints any old tulip Cameroon's mob ask it to print. The Tories say any old tulip they think you'll be stupid enough to be taken in by. The story is about the Tories promising to change the words used to describe something (cf. Windscale and Sellafield) because they regard you with contempt and assume you'll fall for it. It seems they were correct in this assumption. Get a grip.

FTFY.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

My views are being misrepresented here.

Corrected version:

Anybody: OMFG! The Daily Mail says that the Tories are promising me the Earth, the Moon, a Pony, and a Unicorn! FFS, the Tories are my saviours, I'm wetting myself with anticipation at the thought of voting for them!!!?1!11!!

Me: The Daily Mail prints any old tulip Cameroon's mob ask it to print. The Tories say any old tulip they think you'll be stupid enough to be taken in by. The story is about the Tories promising to change the words used to describe something (cf. Windscale and Sellafield) because they regard you with contempt and assume you'll fall for it. It seems they were correct in this assumption. Get a grip.

FTFY.

I've only just seen this thread (I was a bit busy just prior to Christmas). Not for the first time, Nick Fitz says it better than I ever could.

[Ardesco]

Nu Liebor banned guns - and gun crime went up big time! Not from previous legit owners either.

Now I hate Nu Liebor as much as the next man, but this is just not true. They haven't banned guns. They banned a specific calibre of a type of gun. Not really the same thing is it?