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[Bunk]

Drink Driving is bad - lets clear that up ---- however

the new law which drops the limit from 70mg to 50 mg will simply be used to catch more people who are trying to go to work after having a few beers the night before and doing the sensible thing by not driving that evening.

The thing that really flips me off is that the reduction in limit will catch more people who have a cheeky one after WORK or those who had a few to many the night before did not drive and are now driving to WORK

Do you know it won't catch the lazy chav scum who do not work and can therefore lie in bed until they are under the limit (at which point they then drive to the pub and get completely stocked before driving home well over the 50 to 70 mg limit.)

So looks like Gordon is biting the hand the feeds


useless scottish wtat

Eh? The lazy chav scum who stays in bed until he's under the limit isn't breaking the law so why should it catch him?

[original PM]

Eh? The lazy chav scum who stays in bed until he's under the limit isn't breaking the law so why should it catch him?

Sorry your missing the point the increasingly tight laws are all about catching the middle class average joe's whose whole life could be ruined because he had 4 pints and not 3 and a half the night before.

Loose your licence, loose your job, loose your livelihood, loose your family, stop being a productive member of society.

Lets stop trying to catch out average Joe who is just trying to get by and have a few beers, raise a decent family and not live off state handouts and lets concentrate on the dirty chav scum who spend their time raising illegal dogs that eat 4 year old kids

seriously how much police time was wasted by those coppers waiting to catch people picking up their cars from the night before - would it not have made more sense to stop people before they got in their cars - breathalyse them and then it may drive home the issue of still being over the limit the morning after.

I mean seriously think about it - go out for a few drinks do the sensible thing go to pick up car next morning and end up loosing licence for two years

It is a ******* farce of momumental proportions.

[shaunbhoy]

Previously I've used Scooterman - this is a company in London who provides a bloke with a folding scooter. He picks you (and your car) up from the pub, put his folding scooter in the boot and drives you home in your own car. perfect.

Does he also carry a small backpack containing a Mr Potato Head mask? That way nobody will realise it is him driving a gay car with a grinning inebriated muppet in the passenger seat!!

[Paddy]

Sorry your missing the point the increasingly tight laws are all about catching the middle class average joe's whose whole life could be ruined because he had 4 pints and not 3 and a half the night before.

Loose your licence, loose your job, loose your livelihood, loose your family, stop being a productive member of society.

Lets stop trying to catch out average Joe who is just trying to get by and have a few beers, raise a decent family and not live off state handouts and lets concentrate on the dirty chav scum who spend their time raising illegal dogs that eat 4 year old kids

seriously how much police time was wasted by those coppers waiting to catch people picking up their cars from the night before - would it not have made more sense to stop people before they got in their cars - breathalyse them and then it may drive home the issue of still being over the limit the morning after.

I mean seriously think about it - go out for a few drinks do the sensible thing go to pick up car next morning and end up loosing licence for two years

It is a ******* farce of momumental proportions.

Well said!

[wobbegong]

Sorry your missing the point the increasingly tight laws are all about catching the middle class average joe's whose whole life could be ruined because he had 4 pints and not 3 and a half the night before.

Loose your licence, loose your job, loose your livelihood, loose your family, stop being a productive member of society.

Lets stop trying to catch out average Joe who is just trying to get by and have a few beers, raise a decent family and not live off state handouts and lets concentrate on the dirty chav scum who spend their time raising illegal dogs that eat 4 year old kids

seriously how much police time was wasted by those coppers waiting to catch people picking up their cars from the night before - would it not have made more sense to stop people before they got in their cars - breathalyse them and then it may drive home the issue of still being over the limit the morning after.

I mean seriously think about it - go out for a few drinks do the sensible thing go to pick up car next morning and end up loosing licence for two years

It is a ******* farce of momumental proportions.

But it's not "the sensible thing", if he's still pi$$ed when he picks his car up, whether it's the next morning or the next afternoon; intoxicated is intoxicated. Would it make a jot of difference to you if you learned a member of your family was killed or crippled by a drunk driver leaving the pub at 11:15 pm or the next morning at 11:15 am after doing "the sensible thing"?

[shaunbhoy]

But it's not "the sensible thing", if he's still pi$$ed when he picks his car up, whether it's the next morning or the next afternoon; intoxicated is intoxicated. Would it make a jot of difference to you if you learned a member of your family was killed or crippled by a drunk driver leaving the pub at 11:15 pm or the next morning at 11:15 am after doing "the sensible thing"?

WHS+++

[shoes]

Lets stop trying to catch out average Joe who is just trying to get by and have a few beers, raise a decent family and not live off state handouts and lets concentrate on the dirty chav scum who spend their time raising illegal dogs that eat 4 year old kids

Are you nuts? Real criminals fight back! They can be quite nasty! Better to nick people without any of those nasty characteristics of the career criminal, your shift will be over in no time and you can head off down the pub with the rest of the coppers! And drive back of course.

[Paddy]

But it's not "the sensible thing", if he's still pi$$ed when he picks his car up, whether it's the next morning or the next afternoon; intoxicated is intoxicated. Would it make a jot of difference to you if you learned a member of your family was killed or crippled by a drunk driver leaving the pub at 11:15 pm or the next morning at 11:15 am after doing "the sensible thing"?

I do not drink and drive at all however, being near the limit doesn’t mean being pissed or drunk. Yes there are dangerous drivers who have drunk alcohol and there are dangerous drivers who have not drunk any alcohol. If a driver has an accident and he has been drinking it does not mean that it’s his fault. Alcohol does impair driving no matter how little but I see the problem with aggressive drivers and particularly with aggressive drivers who drink. I would like psychological profiling as a requirement for a driving licence.

PS: There was a DOT studdy of the same.

[MrMark]

I fear the law of unintended consequences may result in more dangerous roads. A guy who's been down the pub at night may just decide to drive home "as they'll nick me anyway if I come to pick up the car from the pub in the morning". Ok most (hopefully) won't do this, but it only takes one.

[swamp]

I fear the law of unintended consequences may result in more dangerous roads. A guy who's been down the pub at night may just decide to drive home "as they'll nick me anyway if I come to pick up the car from the pub in the morning". Ok most (hopefully) won't do this, but it only takes one.

There is evidence, I believe, that driving the next day slightly over the limit is less dangerous than driving the night before on the same margin. Alcohol has a huge spectrum of effects; bubbly over-confident exhuberance is different from slightly monged out and groggy. The law makes no distinction however.