New plan b

[cailin maith]

yes sunshine

Ta love! Thought it was...

[Ruse]

My wife once went to an "adults only" swimming session in Greenwich pool.
It turned out to be a gay and lesbian session. Apparently everyone was extremely friendly. There weren't any clothing restrictions.

[Andy2]

Do they have nudist sessions as well ?

[RichardCranium]

Do they have nudist sessions as well ?

Try the abbey leisure centre in Selby on a Sunday night

Eastbourne Naturist Swim Club weekly splash night from October to May

Levenshulme baths hired for naked male swimming sessions on a Thursday evening

Mildenhall Naturist Swimming Club is due to stage its first session at
the new pool in Newmarket on Saturday

So that'll be a "Yes".

[xoggoth]

It is often not how things are RC but how they appear that matters and this sort of thing does stir up a lot of resentment. Others often have just as good or better case, that chap who wanted an open air cremation for example, there are plenty of rich Hindus who could have offered or paid for a suitable site away from habitation. It certainly appears that it is always Islam which gets all the concessions.

If it was an important matter of people not being able to pursue a career over a dress code it would be different but the argument that is is not a big deal to make a clothing requirement is somewhat diminished by the fact that what they are demanding is not very important either. People should make sacrifices, big or small, for their own faith, not expect others to.

You are also ignoring the major issue, and the French seem to have more sense on this, that these demands made on women in a closed Muslim society cannot properly be regarded as a matter of female choice. It is an viewpoint that should be confronted. As I have said before, I am somewhat amazed that liberals are so happy to jettison their attitudes to female equality or homosexuality whenever Islam rears its ugly head.

[expat]

It is often not how things are RC but how they appear that matters and this sort of thing does stir up a lot of resentment. Others often have just as good or better case, that chap who wanted an open air cremation for example, there are plenty of rich Hindus who could have offered or paid for a suitable site away from habitation. It certainly appears that it is always Islam which gets all the concessions.

If it was an important matter of people not being able to pursue a career over a dress code it would be different but the argument that is is not a big deal to make a clothing requirement is somewhat diminished by the fact that what they are demanding is not very important either. People should make sacrifices, big or small, for their own faith, not expect others to.

You are also ignoring the major issue, and the French seem to have more sense on this, that these demands made on women in a closed Muslim society cannot properly be regarded as a matter of female choice. It is an viewpoint that should be confronted. As I have said before, I am somewhat amazed that liberals are so happy to jettison their attitudes to female equality or homosexuality whenever Islam rears its ugly head.

This last point is very important. I believe that our freedom, and our commitment to it applying equally to women as to men, is not a personal choice but a moral right. Someone who wants to impose contrary restrictions on women is not merely someone with an acceptable different point of view, but someone whose ideas have no place in our free society.

The essence of this is that someone who wants to remove the rights of others has no right to be permitted, far less supported, in doing so (and I will refuse to be dragged into any sophistry about their "rights" to do so).

There is another important point: why is religion so sacred? We find ourselves discussing whether "islamic" bathing dress is a religious requirement, or merely a social preference; the implication being that if it is a social preference then we might possibly disagree, but if it is religious then we must shut up about it. I say, what difference does it make? Whether you want all women to cover up because that's what they're made to do where you come from, or whether it's because you're convinced that this big guy in the sky with the white beard wants them to (and is issuing these orders through you, hmm), I don't care. You have no right to make it so. Do it yourself if you like, don't make others do it.

[TimberWolf]

I'm for covering up the old and fat and men, but not young slim women.