Terrorists again!!!

[ALM]

They share the jihadist ideal, though that is not to say they are all going to be terrorists.

precis: Islam is an all or nothing religion, it is based on the word of God. Muslims can not choose which parts of the Koran and the traditions that they will follow and which parts they will ignore.
If they do not follow all of it then they are not Muslims and are damned with the rest of us.
The Koran effectively says convert or kill all non believers, but there are some provisos that allow non believers to be left alone as long as they are useful to Muslims.

Wow! ... you really do seem to know your stuff LG. How have you accumulated such a wealth of knowledge in this area?

I think its easy to get carried away with the demonising of a minority. The UK is composed of very wide range of people from many different religious and ethnic backgrounds. We were led unjustly (in the opinion of many people in the UK) into a war with Iraq which resulted in the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqis who happen to be muslim. A very small extremist group of young muslims in the UK decided to attack the transport services of London.

Rather than now embarking on a strategy of threatening all muslims in the UK, perhaps we should make sure another 100,000 are not killed in a foreign land in our name.

[Marcus Aurelius]

It does strike me as being rather convenient that this was announced the day before the house of commons is being asked to cote on the 90 day ruling...

But then again, I always was a suspicious bastard...

[The Lone Gunman]

Wow! ... you really do seem to know your stuff LG. How have you accumulated such a wealth of knowledge in this area?

I think its easy to get carried away with the demonising of a minority. The UK is composed of very wide range of people from many different religious and ethnic backgrounds. We were led unjustly (in the opinion of many people in the UK) into a war with Iraq which resulted in the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqis who happen to be muslim. A very small extremist group of young muslims in the UK decided to attack the transport services of London.

Rather than now embarking on a strategy of threatening all muslims in the UK, perhaps we should make sure another 100,000 are not killed in a foreign land in our name.

I disagreed with the Iraq war myself, I argued at length with ShaunBhoy and others that it was wrong.
I have accumulated my knowledge of all religions by reading about them. As a confirmed atheist I find all religions fascinating.

It is my belief that before people start supporting religious beliefs they should be aware of where those beliefs can lead.
I may be wrong, but my interpretation of Islam leads me to what I have stated in many previous posts.

As an aside, isnt it funny that Saddam and his regime killed thousands of Muslims yet the Iraqui Muslims did not rise up against him, nor was there a global Muslim reaction against Iraq.
Saddam also forcibly implemented a secular state which effectively reduced, even removed, the rifhts of Muslims to practice their religion.

Yet when a Western power goes in and frees the Muslims from this oppression the entire Muslim world takes offence.
They also seem to have failed to notice that very few Muslims were killed untill after the war had ended and the fight against insurgents had started.

[AlfredJPruffock]

"We weren't exactly sure when nor, more importantly, what they planned to damage or do harm to.

Sounds pretty conclusive to me.

I fail to believe that nobody in the muslim community were not aware of 7/7 or 21/7 or other attempted atrocities.

Chico how much did the CIA and MI6 know about these attacks prior to their launch ?

[BobTheCrate]

I have a lot of empathy with LG here.

It does rather seem we in this country at least have bent over backwards to accommodate (for want of a better word) the Muslim community in the UK over the years.

But it is never enough for the Muslim community. Maybe if they ever turn the UK into a Muslim state they'll stop complaining and alleging racial discrimination every 5 seconds.

Segregation along religious grounds has been self imposed by those religions who are opposed to integration. Opposed because at best such integration they mistakenly feel would dilute their religion. At worst because they simply do not tolerate other religions. And we all know where segregation leads don't we.

And now our legislation is becoming so clumsy, already we have one poster here implying (albeit tongue in cheek probably) that another be 'banged up' for expressing his opinion. I worry this legislation is going to bring a whole spate of mischeivous or politically, culturally motivated accusations of incitement to religious hatred.

The religious and cultural divide within even deeper segregation is set to move much further apart as we learn 'not to get involved' in ethnic matters, whether they be Muslim or not, lest we are prosecuted.

I wouldn't say as yet it is falling apart but multi-culturism in the UK is failing and failing fast. If only because of the degree and depth of segregation.

[mcquiggd]

Thats why I would look at France and say 'it wouldnt happen here'... on a smaller scale it already has.


Its amazing how differently the immigrant groups behave. Ive never seen a Chinese rioting in Bradford complaining he wants a better job, or preaching hate against anothers religion.

Demonstrating peacfully in Tianeman Square, standing unarmed in front a tank - yes... blowing themsleves up amongst innocent civilians of all colours and creeds on the Underground... er - no...

[planetit]

Valid points Bob (and my comment was at least in part tongue in cheek). However a character called “The Lone Gunman” saying the only way forward is to make Muslims feel threatened; is naive in the extreme (assuming he didn’t actually mean it – and his aggressive response makes me wonder). Comments like that will only strengthen the case for the introduction of religious hatred laws.

[BobTheCrate]

LG's comments are wide open to interpretation though planetit - as indeed are the words of most of us particularly where emotive subjects are discussed.

I don't accept any of LG's words incite religious hatred simply because I do not accept in the slightest he means anyone physical harm. But how others 'infer' what we say is not completely under the orator's control. And that is how and why such legislation will only act to suppress. Your reaction demonstrates this point well.

We, all of us are 'threatened' practically on a daily basis by Darths Blair & Brown. But they are not threats of physical harm - at least not yet.

[Chico]

Alfred how do you think MI6 the CIA etc get their info? By informants mostly. The issue at the moment is that there are no informants coming from the muslim community tipping off the security services about terrorist activity either for the greater good or for cash - and that worries me. Alfred I guess with your tree hugging logic there can be no wins in prevention of terrorist attacks.
Scenario 1 - Police prevent suicide attack, people lives are saved. Evidence of weapons, intent etc (as in Oz case). Tree huggers logic - Not acceptable because terrorists was not able to mount attack and as such terrorist not guilty of any crime and as such be freed.

Scenario 2 - Terrorist does carry out atrocity (3/11, 9/11 7/7 etc) thousands dead. Tree huggers logic: It was the fault of the Christians, the government, the Crusades, racism, poverty, disenfranchisement etc the list is endless. Everyone and everything is to blame except for the terrorists themselves!!

[BobTheCrate]

Ive never seen a Chinese rioting in Bradford complaining he wants a better job, or preaching hate against anothers religion.

That's an extremely relevant observation mac and one thoroughly deserving of an answer.