'No Borders' and their 'Freedom of movement' camp

[Cyberman]

The good news is that another 220,000 British passports are to be issued to foreign nationals over the next year which will allow them full access to all benefits of being a UK citizen. Apparently, it was usually around 35,000 per annum under those cruel Tories. It's only fair.

[pzz76077]

You seem to want to stretch this to the point of pedentry.
The EU allows freedom of movement for its citizens within its borders unmolested. If you are an EU citizen there is no explanation required, in fact it is possibly against EU rules to ask for one.
You have to provide proof of ID to fly.

Nope, just that you are distorting my original point I feel.

PZZ

[The Lone Gunman]

Nope, just that you are distorting my original point I feel.

PZZ

Did you make a point? The only thing you said was that you have never been asked why you are in any given country. I have given ample reasons why that is the case.

[lilelvis2000]

You know that's just wrong.
It goes like this: Turn up in UK - Claim asylum as you is political/gay/minority/etc. - go claim benefits - get job if poss. (black market) to add to benefits.

What benefits? They get something like £45/week to live on and ratty accomodation. The benefits stop the moment their claim is exhausted. Plus I don't think they get to choose where to live either. There's plenty of illegals working no doubt..not really their fault is it? Employers would rather take on someone for £20/day then £45/day. And don't tell me that you'd rather put an employee on PAYE than just pay them cash!

PS: I have been known to take cash from clients and just - literally - put it in my pocket.

[Troll]

Which benefits do immigrants get in the UK?

Assuming you really meant "which benefits so asylum seekers get"

The UK Border Agency will assess your circumstances and needs. If you are not able to support yourself and your family while we are considering your application, you may apply to us for money and somewhere to live.

apply to us for money

asylum applicants do not have to pay bills for essentials such as electricity, gas and water.

Current rates of support are:

* Qualifying couple (married or in a civil partnership): £66.13
* Single parent aged 18 or over: £42.16
* Single person aged 25 or over: £42.16
* Single person aged 18 or over, but under 25: £33.39
* Single person (not a member of a qualifying couple) aged 16 or over but under 18: £36.29
* Single person under 16: £48.30

If you are a woman who is pregnant or has children under the age of three, you are entitled to extra money.

Somewhere to live

We provide housing in the following regions of the United Kingdom:

* north west;
* midlands;
* north east;
* Wales; and
* Scotland.

We will not provide housing in London. Very limited housing may be available in the south-east of England. While we are providing your housing, you must stay at the address we give you unless we give you permission to move.

+ free Health Care
+ free Education for school age kids

The Telegraph is reporting reports in the financial year 2007/08, asylum seekers received the equivalent of £8,000 a year or £150 a week for each claimant

HTH

[Mich the Tester]

Assuming you really meant "which benefits so asylum seekers get"


apply to us for money


Somewhere to live


+ free Health Care
+ free Education for school age kids

The Telegraph is reporting reports in the financial year 2007/08, asylum seekers received the equivalent of £8,000 a year or £150 a week for each claimant

HTH

So why not just let them work?

[ace00]

What benefits? They get something like £45/week to live on and ratty accomodation.

I'd take that over a tin shack in Mogadishu any day (and it seems to be more like 150UKP p/w apparently)

Point is it is documented that the dole will pay out with the provision of asylum application only, which they shouldn't do. This is the laxness which was referred to. Once the dole pays out, you have the ID to continue the claim (NI etc.) without ever getting an approval. There is then no followup on the approval so you disappear from the asylum system into the benefits system.

I personally would like open borders, but only with a harmonized European or global state system.

[sasguru]

The good news is that another 220,000 British passports are to be issued to foreign nationals over the next year

Yet another made up figure from the cretin.
You'd think he'd get embarrassed by now, but no, he carries on, with the stubborn mulish stupidity which is his trademark

[Troll]

So why not just let them work?

Why have borders?
why have a concept of nation states?
why have universal access to the trappings of an affluent society if it is open to anyone who can get here?

[lilelvis2000]

I'd take that over a tin shack in Mogadishu any day (and it seems to be more like 150UKP p/w apparently)

Point is it is documented that the dole will pay out with the provision of asylum application only, which they shouldn't do. This is the laxness which was referred to. Once the dole pays out, you have the ID to continue the claim (NI etc.) without ever getting an approval. There is then no followup on the approval so you disappear from the asylum system into the benefits system.

I personally would like open borders, but only with a harmonized European or global state system.

I've never heard of that...and we deal with plenty of failed asylum seekers here. Most I think are on some type of program where they agree to return in exchange for continued payouts and accomodation. The rest are hitchingup with EU nationals (mainly eastern europeans) working here...and applying to stay on that basis. Perhaps then they could work and claim benefits...I'm a bit fuzzy on that though.