Geert Wilders in Denmark: Deporting millions of Muslims may be necessary

[Mich the Tester]

How do you count 'muslims'?

Who do you count as a 'muslim' and who do you not count?

[lilelvis2000]

You want to try listening to what he says instead of just watching it and making up your own dialogue then.
He clearly stated (twice) that Muslims who wish to integrate and settle are quite welcome.
What he opposes is the Islamification of his country and Europe as a whole.
He is afraid (rightly or wrongly) that growing populations of Muslims will eventualy out number the rest of the population and will then demand Sharia law and governance by Islam.
Islam for non Muslims can be a far worse regime than any fascist dictatorship than Europe has ever seen The primary example of this kind of regime is Afghanistan under the Taliban.
Saudi Arabia also practices restriction of religion to non Muslims as well as removing other freedoms we take for granted here in the West.

As for the church conversion. Why not. I am surprised that they got planning permission for theos green domes though. Not exactly in keeping are they. Why can't British Mosques conform to a British architecture?

Yeah he said that...but that really means - "join us in the pub". Something I don't think most muslims will do. I mean there are those that do that. And for the majority - they don't pray or attend mosques or really follow what the koran says.

You, of course, forget most of the history of islam when it was in Spain. But it is true that current day regeimes are rather brutal. Interesting how Western countries were involved in helping to create them?

Most muslims think nothing of Saudi...most muslims hate the saudi clan and the Wahabi. The vast majority of Taliban are not Muslim by the definition of Islam.

An invasion of a foreign relegion with a low tolerance level...I feel like a Palestinian in the 1930's.

[sasguru]

Looks like our froggy friend has gone quiet on the subject of numbers - probably because 8 million Muslims in France is a wildly hysterical overestimate.

In a country of approx 62 million people that would put the Muslim population at approximately 13%.
France doesn't record religion in censuses (censii?) but a less biased view may be here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France

This claims about 6% are Muslim of which only a third claim to be "observant believers". Doesn't sound very threatening to me.

The highest estimates go no further than 10%.

So clearly we can discount Monsieur Rosbif from any further rational discussion as he makes figures up from thin air.

[Le Rosbif]

Ah good finally some numbers so we can guage the threat rather than vague and insinuatory posts.
Where did you get your figure of 8 million Muslims from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

I believe these numbers are actually smaller than reality, hence my estimation of 8 millions.

While you are at it, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots

[Le Rosbif]

How do you count 'muslims'?

Who do you count as a 'muslim' and who do you not count?

You ask a person:

Are you muslim?
If the answer is yes, then you have a muslim.

[sasguru]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

I believe these numbers are actually smaller than reality, hence my estimation of 8 millions.

While you are at it, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots

And we should trust your beliefs, in the absence of evidence, why exactly?

Were the riots not more economically based than religious?

[Mich the Tester]

You ask a person:

Are you muslim?
If the answer is yes, then you have a muslim.

And if that person is under threat of deportation, is he still likely to answer 'yes, I'm a muslim'? If he's applying for a visa and knows he'll be turned down if he's a muslim, is he still likely to say 'yes, I'm a muslim'?

If on the other hand, he's a very moderate chappy who occasionally goes to the mosque and isn't very observant, but lives in a liberal society where he feels he has nothing to fear from speaking openly, is he likely to deny being a muslim?

You could ask millions of Europeans whether they are 'christians' and an awful lot of them would say 'yes I am'. Then you have the problem of explaining away all those empty churches.

I suppose you could then ask 'why are the mosques all full?' Well, firstly they aren't all full, and secondly, there are perhaps less mosques per thousand practising muslims than there are churches per thousand practising christians.

[DimPrawn]

sas I'm glad you are enjoying my new sockpuppet.

Keeps you out of the grownup threads.

[Le Rosbif]

And we should trust your beliefs, in the absence of evidence, why exactly?

Were the riots not more economically based than religious?

I was in Toulouse when it happened.
I heard some of the riots shout "on va s'faire l'Eglise" = Let's put the church down.

I agree however that another reason behind the riots was that most of the rioters where poor, jobless and useless barbarians.

[Mich the Tester]

I was in Toulouse when it happened.
I heard some of the riots shout "on va s'faire l'Eglise" = Let's put the church down.

I agree however that another reason behind the riots was that most of the rioters where poor, jobless and useless barbarians.

...who've spent their lives being told they're useless barbarians and are getting a bit sick of it?