Anyone else think these two got off lightly?

[minestrone]

Not really, in the first scenario getting up and walking away, complaining to the Landlord or phoning the Police would be appropriate. In scenario 2 that's assault with a dealy weapon, ABH, criminal wounding and attempted murder by the assaulting paty, besides a Stanley knife can very easily cause a fatal wound so his argument wouldn't stand.

But the point I made about 2 is that the assault can be proven to be not fatal.

I am trying to make non specific examples of specific examples of cases I know about. One where someone was killed by an act of violence which was provoked where death was accidental and one where there was repeated torture which was designed not to kill.

My examples are simplistic but relative.

[BolshieBastard]

4 years for an unprovoked murder (not manslaughter!) is disgusting. The pair should both have been locked up for life.

When are we going to get tough on shysters like these?

[minestrone]

4 years for an unprovoked murder (not manslaughter!) is disgusting. The pair should both have been locked up for life.

When are we going to get tough on shysters like these?

Growing up I probably punched 10s of folk, I might have punched almost a hundred folk. My brothers and I would continually knock seven bells out of each other.

The difference between a punch and a murder charge is a medical condition where you are concerned.

If a rugby player goes for a high challenge and the other player dies is that murder?

[BrowneIssue]

Growing up I probably punched 10s of folk, I might have punched almost a hundred folk. My brothers and I would continually knock seven bells out of each other.

And as far as civilised people are concerned, you should be inside.

What are you? A gypo?

[minestrone]

And as far as civilised people are concerned, you should be inside.

What are you? A gypo?

No, I used to box and you fell for my simple ruse.

Nice to see racial stereotypes are still alive and well.

[Cyberman]

Growing up I probably punched 10s of folk, I might have punched almost a hundred folk. My brothers and I would continually knock seven bells out of each other.

The difference between a punch and a murder charge is a medical condition where you are concerned.

If a rugby player goes for a high challenge and the other player dies is that murder?

In your scenario you were accepting of being hit. The guy that was killed here did not even know that he was going to be hit. This really was a cowardly, despicable act and not knowing that somebody has a weakness should be no defence whatsoever if you kill somebody in an unprovoked attack.

[minestrone]

What BrowneIssue has shown to us all is that someone can read one sentence of very few words, take that to derive a point, that point will become an opinion which they will use as fact and in turn lecture others.

[minestrone]

In your scenario you were accepting of being hit. The guy that was killed here did not even know that he was going to be hit. This really was a cowardly, despicable act and not knowing that somebody has a weakness should be no defence whatsoever if you kill somebody in an unprovoked attack.

I am not going to deny this bloke should get time, I just don't think people like you and BrowneIssue should be in charge. I told BrowneIssue I have probably punched 100 people, he told me I should be inside, he never considered I used to do boxing.

People like BrowneIssue and yourself who react to a few words and then form an opinion should be kept away from a British court due to your and his stupidity.

[Cyberman]

I am not going to deny this bloke should get time, I just don't think people like you and BrowneIssue should be in charge. I told BrowneIssue I have probably punched 100 people, he told me I should be inside, he never considered I used to do boxing.

People like BrowneIssue and yourself who react to a few words and then form an opinion should be kept away from a British court due to your and his stupidity.

You obviously did not read or understand what I said. I did not have any problem with you fighting people with their consent. What you were doing is totally different from this unprovoked attack.

[lightng]

All this talk about toothless gypo's (whoops a racial stereotype) has reminded me of this game:

http://www.addicting-arcade.com/play...tua-pikey.html