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Monbiot on Hazel Blears
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You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.
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Originally posted by OwlHoot View PostAre you saying "Hazel Blear" is cockney rhyming slang?
(as in "I think he's a bit Hazel")
You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.
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Originally posted by bogeyman View PostReally? Who the hell are they polling then? Not the electorate I'll be bound.
I wonder who they polled to suggest we start an illegal war in Iraq.
Many of their policies have been aimed at winning over minorities in marginal seats. Those are the votes that count and thus they poll the minorities to see how they can swing the seats.
Immigration, for instance has been a vot-winner with muslim minorities as they have seen their fellow religious followers and families enter the UK. The tide has now turned because immigration policy is now losing votes, so Labour swing the other way by talking about border controls after 12 years of inaction. Simple and effective....... maybe !!Comment
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Originally posted by bogeyman View PostI don't often find myself applauding George Monbiot, but never have I read such a fine demolition of a serving politician.
The comments are priceless too.
As one commenter puts it: 'Hazel Blears - The Evil of Banalty'.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...george-monbiot
Would he have raised a squeek if Government policies had been different and all met with his approval, even if her voting record showed an equal absence of any rebellious streak or independent thought? Of course not.Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ hereComment
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Originally posted by Cyberman View PostMany of their policies have been aimed at winning over minorities in marginal seats. Those are the votes that count and thus they poll the minorities to see how they can swing the seats.
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, and can't substantiate any of this, but it does give me much pause for thought...
Originally posted by BBC NewsIraq weapons expert Dr David Kelly reportedly warned of "many dark actors playing games" in an e-mail sent hours before he bled to death from a slashed wrist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3080795.stmOriginally posted by BBC NewsA post mortem revealed that Cook died of hypertensive heart disease, although the paramedics at the scene had speculated that he died of a broken neck.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135256.stm
You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.
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Originally posted by OwlHoot View PostMost of the venom in that article comes over to me as the author's disgust that she voted for things he disagrees with.
Would he have raised a squeek if Government policies had been different and all met with his approval, even if her voting record showed an equal absence of any rebellious streak or independent thought? Of course not.
I'm off to the pub to watch the Boyos eat England alive.
You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.
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Originally posted by bogeyman View PostYeah, no doubt - but I still don't understand why they toed the US line on Iraq. Everyone knew the case for war was built on utter lies, and I believe at least one unfortunate paid with his life, even before the war started.
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, and can't substantiate any of this, but it does give me much pause for thought...
Pooh pooh it if you want but so much remains buried and unanswered.
I remember at the time, all of the anti-Saddam propaganda and the information released on weapons of destruction and missile launch sites. At the time, most people believed that propaganda so I have no doubt as to their reasons for voting to invade. The propaganda was not seen as lies at the time, and there is still an underlying feeling that weapons were buried or moved to Iran. Iraq is so vast that it would be very easy to hide the weapons, and just because we did not find much does not mean they do not exist.
Personally. I was for the war from the beginning because Saddam was a tyrant who murdered possibly millions of his own people and I believed that he had the chemical/biological weapons ,and we should have disposed of him in the first war in 1991. My views, however have been tempered by alleged abuses by the western forces. Overall, I still think that getting rid of Saddam was a good thing and will bring a better peace in the long-run.Comment
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Originally posted by Cyberman View PostMost politicians will follow the government line if they want to reach the highest office. Labour in general don't have principles. They simply do a poll, find out what is most popular at the time and make it policy. Commonsense or intelligent thought really does not enter the equation.
Thus we had declassification of cannabis, banning of foxhunting, unlimited immigration, appeasement of muslims, political correctness, unlimited credit for everybody etc etc.
However let's look at your examples. I don't think most people agree with all of those things, or even most of them. Those are mostly controversial issues where the government was criticised for its decision.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by Cyberman View PostI remember at the time, all of the anti-Saddam propaganda and the information released on weapons of destruction and missile launch sites. At the time, most people believed that propaganda so I have no doubt as to their reasons for voting to invade. The propaganda was not seen as lies at the time, and there is still an underlying feeling that weapons were buried or moved to Iran.
I have no doubt that you were all for this illegal war, but a hell of a lot of us were not, and are still very angry about it, and want to see the perpetrators brought to justice - at the Hague.
It will never happen of course. These slime bags will get away with the vilest crimes over and over again.
You've come right out the other side of the forest of irony and ended up in the desert of wrong.
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