I back this strike !!

[Cyberman]

Only when it suits him...

If everybody sticks to the rules it can work, but The French, Germans and Italians always look after self-interest first. We are mugs because we play it fair.

[Mich the Tester]

That says it all really. Do you think that the French would give the Brits a fair chance ? I don't.

It’s besides the point. British industry has failed because of poor government policy, poor industrial education and an over-valuation of pseudo-professions like Media Studies instead of proper jobs making stuff. That means that the decision makers are now French and not British.

[Cyberman]

It’s besides the point. British industry has failed because of poor government policy, poor industrial education and an over-valuation of pseudo-professions like Media Studies instead of proper jobs making stuff. That means that the decision makers are now French and not British.

I just can't take you seriously !!

[Coalman]

I just can't take you seriously !!

Cop out - I was enjoying reading the contest of well balanced arguments and bigoted vitriol.

Oh well back to work...

Hold on CDS is up and running on another thread - more fun!

[Mich the Tester]

Nice rant. Although, if the current situation is a result of 'piss poor British technology management, combined with piss poor British technical education and piss poor British fiscal policy...', I would argue that Govt intervention is necessary because it is Govt measures that got the country to that state in the first place...

You mean you want the people who f**ked up to clear up the mess?

Go ahead, choose protectionism. See what happens 10 years down the line when the rest of the world has moved on and British business is once again dominated by hard left unions, government cronyism, jobs for the boys and backward, low quality overpriced products.

[DodgyAgent]

You mean you want the people who f**ked up to clear up the mess?

Go ahead, choose protectionism. See what happens 10 years down the line when the rest of the world has moved on and British business is once again dominated by hard left unions, government cronyism, jobs for the boys and backward, low quality overpriced products.

You seem to be missing the irony of what is going on here. It seems that the Italians are forming their own "protectionism" by not making these jobs available to local people, with the extra irony being that if the situation were the other way around (Brits winning a contract in Italy and shipping out only Brit workers".)

Now whilst I accept that the italians, being part of the EU are doing nothing wrong by the letter of the free market, they dont seem to be adopting any of the spirit of the law.

Who precisely "f***ed up"? are you saying that the workshy Italians are likely to supply better workers?

As far as media studies is concerned, you may not understand this but the world has changed and media studies are now an important educational topic.

[Cyberman]

As far as media studies is concerned, you may not understand this but the world has changed and media studies are now an important educational topic.

So true !! I hear that Gordon's assistant is highly qualified.. stuff economics !!

[Mich the Tester]

Who precisely "f***ed up"? are you saying that the workshy Italians are likely to supply better workers?

Erm, yes. Take a look at the regions around Milan, Turin, Bellinzona and Bologna; you’ll see a hell of a lot of industry. Cars, kitchen appliances, high speed trains, aircraft parts, instrumentation, industrial machines, trucks, tractors, motorcycles, bicycles and all the ancilliary industries that are needed by Northern Italian industry. Not exactly workshy. In fact I think you’ll find that Northern Italy is one of the world’s richest and most successful industrial regions. Economic figures in Italy are skewed by the basket case that Italy becomes as soon as you go south of Rome. The north is rich, successful and highly productive. The south is well, the less said about that the better.

[DodgyAgent]

Erm, yes. Take a look at the regions around Milan, Turin, Bellinzona and Bologna; you’ll see a hell of a lot of industry. Cars, kitchen appliances, high speed trains, aircraft parts, instrumentation, industrial machines, trucks, tractors, motorcycles, bicycles and all the ancilliary industries that are needed by Northern Italian industry. Not exactly workshy. In fact I think you’ll find that Northern Italy is one of the world’s richest and most successful industrial regions. Economic figures in Italy are skewed by the basket case that Italy becomes as soon as you go south of Rome. The north is rich, successful and highly productive. The south is well, the less said about that the better.

So why dont you f*** off and go and work there?

[Cyberman]

So why dont you f*** off and go and work there?

Agreed !! My experience is that there are very few jobs open to foreigners in Italy, especially in IT.