police service- ineffectual?

[Platypus]

Those who call you a coward should re-read news reports of have-a-go heroes being stabbed and/or killed.

[sasguru]

cyber dicksplat

It's not often that you can sink further after being Cyber Cretin.
Cyber Dicksplat he is, from now on.


And please don't quote his stuff. It makes the whole concept of an Ignore List unworkable..

[Churchill]

Those who call you a coward should re-read news reports of have-a-go heroes being stabbed and/or killed.

The more people who walk away and don't make a stand, the deeper we sink into the mire.

[Cyberman]

er. big guy punches unconcious girl - cyber dicksplat does nothing

big guy punches other big guy - cyber dicksplat intervenes

... and if I had done nothing and the guy had been killed how do you think I would have felt. There were about 30 other people around who also could have intervened but they did not, so perhaps that makes them more of a coward than me. I was quite proud of myself that I did intervene, but afterwards I was shaking uncontrollably with adrenaline at the thought of the possible consequences. Perhaps one day you will find out how brave YOU really are.

[Xenophon]

The more people who walk away and don't make a stand, the deeper we sink into the mire.

I agree, big fella.

[Cyberman]

It's not often that you can sink further after being Cyber Cretin.
Cyber Dicksplat he is, from now on.


And please don't quote his stuff. It makes the whole concept of an Ignore List unworkable..

Moron !!

[EternalOptimist]

... and if I had done nothing and the guy had been killed how do you think I would have felt. There were about 30 other people around who also could have intervened but they did not, so perhaps that makes them more of a coward than me. I was quite proud of myself that I did intervene, but afterwards I was shaking uncontrollably with adrenaline at the thought of the possible consequences. Perhaps one day you will find out how brave YOU really are.

I am not calling you a coward, I never have, I never would. Just having a wry poke at your judgement.

FWIW, I can see two types of thinking here,
people with a 'systematic approach' (an attitude, an approach)

Always avoid - threaded, platypus
Always intervene - CM , Churchill

people with an 'ad hoc approach' (make a judgement, weigh the risks)

high risk intervener -
low risk intervener - Cyber dicksplat, EternalOptimist

[Signo_cypher]

Wise words NF.

It's all too easy to see the Police as a faceless organisation ; the anonymous shocktroops of a totalitarian regime.

But they are normal people like the rest of us, with families and loved ones to care for, and they have a job to do.

I know a great deal of them despise the fact that they are used as a political instrument, but that's not their fault.

That's the fault of the politicians and ultimately the people who voted for them in the first place.

I sometimes wonder if the radicalisation and politicalisation of the Police is to serve a deeper purpose.

By casting them in such a light, public ill-will is focussed on the Police instead of their masters. A public scapegoat if you will.

Put it another way...does anyone consider the Police truly apolitical ?

If not, then it follows that they are the instrument of someone's political will.

The question begs ; is that a healthy state to be in ?

The sad thing is, most of the general population don't particularly care about such things. So long as it doesn't interfere with their BB, Soaps, Footie, Booze and Fags.

It does make me wonder if the "dumbing-down" of Education is a deliberately socially-engineered concept in order to produce a more malleable, dependent and subservient population.

If that is so, then it demonstrates the true amount of contempt those in power really have over the rest of us.

Before some of us on the Board get too smug with ourselves, because our educational backgrounds may be higher than the norm, and we don't consider ourselves or our families in the same league as the untersmenchen, remember that regardless of our social, educational and political backgrounds, we are all "managed" one way or the other.

Well said that man! I have been thinking just that for a long time now...

[Cyberman]

I am not calling you a coward, I never have, I never would. Just having a wry poke at your judgement.

FWIW, I can see two types of thinking here,
people with a 'systematic approach' (an attitude, an approach)

Always avoid - threaded, platypus
Always intervene - CM , Churchill

people with an 'ad hoc approach' (make a judgement, weigh the risks)

high risk intervener -
low risk intervener - Cyber dicksplat, EternalOptimist

Absolutely !! Intervene at the point of greatest chance of a positive outcome, and also only if you see real danger to another individual..... ie: lower risk. That's pure commonsense IMO.

[Cyberman]

Well said that man! I have been thinking just that for a long time now...

New Lie is a dumbing down of government full stop !!