Cuba, have we really done any better than them?

[deano]

Gitmo isn't Cuban. It's US sovereign soil.

And they ain't doing enough to extract info from those terrorists they've got there. Get the info using whatever means are neccassary, then shoot 'em quick.

Protecting the west is more important than not causing pain to Muslim terrorists.

[Mich the Tester]

Protecting the west is more important than not causing pain to Muslim terrorists.

If we give up on human rights, what are we protecting that makes us so much better than Muslim terrorists?

[gingerjedi]

Gitmo isn't Cuban. It's US sovereign soil.

And they ain't doing enough to extract info from those terrorists they've got there. Get the info using whatever means are neccassary, then shoot 'em quick.

Protecting the west is more important than not causing pain to Muslim terrorists.

Yeh feck em' they're all guilty as hell, they don't deserve rights as humans do they...

That includes the 3 Afgahani kids they had locked up does it?

[AtW]

Protecting the west is more important than not causing pain to Muslim terrorists.

It gives no results intelligence wise and put US in a very very bad light - this certainly caused the enemy to recruit a lot of new people who would otherwise not join them.

Obama will put it right.

[Purple Dalek]

Gitmo isn't Cuban. It's US sovereign soil.

And they ain't doing enough to extract info from those terrorists they've got there. Get the info using whatever means are neccassary, then shoot 'em quick.

Protecting the west is more important than not causing pain to Muslim terrorists.

Perversely enough, what you suggest is exactly what they want. It would thwart them more to let them go after giving them a kiss on the cheek.

[Paddy]

The negative posts seem to come from people who have never been to Cuba. As usual a load of b’locks from people who know frends who have read about it someware I was there nearly ten years ago and hired a car (not an old US banger but a VW Golf) . What struck me was:

(a) The freedom to roam the island.
(b) The lack of crime (Unlike my visit to the US)
(c) The friendliness of the people.
There was obvious poverty but nobody was starving. There were a few people I me who were openly anti-Castro, but not many. The guy I hired a car from was busy on the Internet surfing porn. He pointed out that it was expected that if you have a car you will give lifts to the locals if your are going in their direction. This was great fun and I gave lifts to school teachers, professionals and a government official.

There was street prostitution around the expensive hotels but a lot less that many other countries.

I damaged my leg swimming and it was patched up by a local doctor (not a tourist doctor) no charge. The medical system is so good that if ever a foreigner goes to Cuba he will get free treatment, however you can make a financial donation but they don’t ask.

There was shabbiness in many of the old buildings but this is down to the lack of money, I understand that this is now investment to bring these historical buildings up to scratch.

Cuba is one of the few places in the world where you can world around without the fear of being mugged.

[AtW]

There were a few people I me who were openly anti-Castro, but not many.

I wonder why.

Nobody is hungry, eh?

Rationing in Cuba.

No crime? "Cow killers can get four to 10 years in prison under a toughened crime law adopted in January. Those who transport or sell the meat from an illegally slaughtered cow can get three to eight years."

[M_B]

Cuba does not have nukes there only because of USA strong action - they tried to get them there but thankfully failed.

The USA were not run by crazy idiot who was using his shoe in UN - he also publicly said words to the effect that basically USA will get it (implying nukes) - all and other things such as crimes against humanity committed by Soviet Union makes actions by other countries designed for self defence against crazy Soviet regime justifiable, where as actions of the crazy regime ain't.

CIA does not run terrorist campaign against Cuba for a long time - you should check out what USSR was doing at the time in Vietan, Korea, Latin America etc.

What Soviet lovers really deserve is to get a few years in GULAG, or some uranium mines there - if you manage there a few years and still support USSR, then I'd listen to your words, until then you are just an idiot who has no clue what USSR really was (not far from nazies at all).

You misunderstand me ATW. I am not a supporter of Stalinism and critique of American foreign policy does not make me one. Infact I am not even talking about the USSR.

The facts remain - Kennedy instigated a terrorist campaign against Cuba and started the Cuban missile crisis. That terrorist campaign continues in one form or another whether you chose to accept that or not.

In addition to Cuba, the US also funded a terrorist campagin against Nicaragua and overthrew the regimes in Haiti and Panama. They also did the same in Iran, contributed to genocide in Timor and Turkey ... the list goes on but I suspect they will be ignored.

[dinker]

When was the last time you used some Cuban software? Where do Google, Microsoft, etc. come from? Average wage £12 a month:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ro-raul-castro

[AtW]

The facts remain - Kennedy instigated a terrorist campaign against Cuba and started the Cuban missile crisis. That terrorist campaign continues in one form or another whether you chose to accept that or not.

You got to be joking - Cuban missile crisis could have turned this world into burned out planet, and you accuse Kennedy of terrorist towards some small state that was playing off two superpowers in a very dangerous game?

In addition to Cuba, the US also funded a terrorist campagin against Nicaragua and overthrew the regimes in Haiti and Panama.

And so what? USSR funded plenty of wars in Latin America, including supporting Cuba - same happened in Asia. UK did plenty of dirty things when Empire was strong too, the only reason it could not effectively oppose USSR after WW2 was because it was so weak so someone else had to do it - humans should be grateful that USA did what was necessary to win (without nuclear war), if they were Nazi Germany they'd just partition the world and UK and whole Europe in this case would have been under Soviet rule.

If the price for avoiding that was countering Soviet influence via terrorism in Cuba, Nicaragua then so be it - I'd rather take that than Soviet control: unlike you I know what it is, where as you got no clue which is why you should dedicate your time to learning horrors of Soviet regime before saying one bad word against USAs actions to counter it.