Israel

[minestrone]

My first argument is simple - if HAMAS keeps shooting rockets and mortars at Israel then they should not be suprised to be on the receiving end of overwhelming force.

So after today HAMAS have the moral right to keep firing rockets?

As I said there has not been 280 people killed by rockets from the gaza strip in 30 years but Israel kill that many in 30 minutes.

It is somehow odd that they assume the posture of the victim today.

[AtW]

So after today HAMAS have the moral right to keep firing rockets?

Rights always come with responsibilities - HAMAS have used their right to fire rockets and now they got responsibility to accept rockets from their opponents that they were shooting for so long. If they don't like the score they should not be shooting rockets in the first place - this path of armed fight with Israel is completely pointless and will never reach success. Well, at least in my eyes - for HAMAS success is when they get killed by Israelies and thus become "martyrs", well, they got what they wanted so they should not complain.

As I said there has not been 280 people killed by rockets from the gaza strip in 30 years but Israel kill that many in 30 minutes.

And they can kill 10 times more if they wanted - HAMAS should not be shooting rockets and mortars, that's the conclusion they should have made long time ago.

[shaunbhoy]

There's a lot of rubbish talked on here. It is very simple.

And the biggest load of rubbish is the suggestion that "It is very simple". Not bad, winning that accolade when AtW has been swlobbering all over the thread like a Poacher's dog with his banal ponderous logic. If it were in fact simple it would have been resolved decades ago. Still, as someone has already stated, TB is on the case with that lovely wife of his. So "Things can only get better!"

[Paddy]

Do you think the Israeli attack will make Israel safer?

So when the IRA had a cease fire and the R-IRA carried on with bombing; should the UK should have bombed Dublin?

AtW: Read your own posts about Georgia; you clearly have double standards. You are clearly AtW@

To the Uk Gov: Why doesn’t Milliband fly to Israel / Palestine like he did in the Georgia conflict.

[AtW]

This response by Israel won't make it safer, that's why they were reluctant to respond and it took many days of shelling and rockets to do that - it was deliberate provocation by HAMAS and they have to face consequences now.

AtW: Read your own posts about Georgia; you clearly have double standards.

There are no dual standards, in fact there are parallels - Russian backed separatists in South Osetia were shelling Georgia for a long time - shells supplied by Russia by the way, so it was just a matter of time when Georgians will respond.

Before you open your big mouth about Russian affairs you should look at what Russian forces did in Chechnya - well over 100k civilians were killed there, plenty of European Court of Justice decisions now available against Russian army that was judged to have been responsible for: torture, murder of civilians etc.

Talking of Georgia it turns out Russian forces were already inside South Ossetia day before conflict was deemed to have been officially started. The irony is that Georgia has all legal rights to conduct operations on their own sovereign territory - so far Russian lies about massive civilian casulaties have not been confirmed at all, in fact even Russian officials that were sent to investigate said around 150-200 civilians were killed - even that figure is suspect.

[PM-Junkie]

To the Uk Gov: Why doesn’t Milliband fly to Israel / Palestine like he did in the Georgia conflict.

Because the Americans haven't told him to yet...

[AtW]

So when the IRA had a cease fire and the R-IRA carried on with bombing; should the UK should have bombed Dublin?

UK did not need to bomb from airplanes because land forces could operate inside the location without using MBTs and close air support. Israel avoids entering Gaza because every time it does so it leads to outcry about occupation etc and more casualties happen, so precision bombing was really the only viable option in my view.

[Paddy]

[QUOTE=AtW;725742]This response by Israel won't make it safer, that's why they were reluctant to respond and it took many days of shelling and rockets to do that - it was deliberate provocation by HAMAS and they have to face consequences now.



There are no dual standards, in fact there are parallels - Russian backed separatists in South Osetia were shelling Georgia for a long time - shells supplied by Russia by the way, so it was just a matter of time when Georgians will respond.

Before you open your big mouth about Russian affairs you should look at what Russian forces did in Chechnya - well over 100k civilians were killed there, plenty of European Court of Justice decisions now available against Russian army that was judged to have been responsible for: torture, murder of civilians etc.

Talking of Georgia it turns out Russian forces were already inside South Ossetia day before conflict was deemed to have been officially started. The irony is that Georgia has all legal rights to conduct operations on their own sovereign territory - so far Russian lies about massive civilian casulaties have not been confirmed at all, in fact even Russian officials that were sent to investigate said around 150-200 civilians were killed - even that figure is suspect.[/QUOTE


Double standards AtW, what about the numerous UN resolutions against Israel that are ignored? And don’t forget the close connection between Georgia and Israel including the General in charge in Georgia is an Israeli citizen.

[Clippy]

If ever evidence was needed of how much of an outright tw@t atw is, then this thread proves it.

Here's to an atw free 2009 - first c0ck to be added to my ignore filter.

Goodbye you sad little loser.

[Liability]

Their actions and responses are such (suicide bombing, rockets etc) are due to their religion - Indians were also supressed yet they were able to find winning strategy. Palestinians are unable to do that because they are trapped inside their religious dogma.

What they should have done is:

a) renounce violence (it's not necessary as Israel is not actively killing them - if anything it has withdrawn from the territory where palestinians reside now).
b) start building up their economy to show they have viable state.
c) 20-30 years later Israel would have no choice but to share territory, probably visa free access etc.

Now that's the winning strategy - firing random rockets isn't and Israel is trying to demonstrate it to them.

But when you have Israel and by proxy USA not allowing this to happen how do you expect them to do anything with there economy or area? I mean christ you have Tony Blair as the middle east envoy the most Anti-Muslim you could think of.

Alot goes on in that area which you or the wider world and all of us have very little knowledge about - have you actually wondered why they were launching rockets into Israel? What kicked this off?