Pope on target again

[Cheshire Cat]

Therefore you get the rites and rights - thank you for that expression, it sums up the argument nicely - and gay partnerships should only get the rights, not the rites.

So, my question remains... what's it to you?

[Mich the Tester]

I'm sorry to have to correct you, but if you are going to argue this you need the facts...



from...
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/civilpartnerships/

Once you understand the detail, then let's get into it.

I have a civil partnership with Mrs Tester, because the idiotic marriage and nationality laws and bureaucracy involving NL, the UK and a certain west African country in which I was born make it pretty much impossible for us to marry. We’re happy with that option because we have similar legal rights as married couples. I’m not really bothered whether the civil union was invented for gay people; it’s useful for us so we use the option.

[Cheshire Cat]

I have a civil partnership with Mrs Tester, because the idiotic marriage and nationality laws and bureaucracy involving NL, the UK and a certain west African country in which I was born make it pretty much impossible for us to marry. We’re happy with that option because we have similar legal rights as married couples. I’m not really bothered whether the civil union was invented for gay people; it’s useful for us so we use the option.

As Joni Mitchell said "we don't need a piece of paper from the city hall, to keep us tried and true."

[sasguru]

Which bit of reality have I lost grip on now. It's a big list and you need to help me narrow it down.

No we don't. Pay for your own therapy.
Still it's a start to admit to you've lost your grip. That's the beginning of your long journey to sanity.

HTH

[deano]

So, my question remains... what's it to you?

It offends me that my marriage is equated with something less.

[deano]

No we don't. Pay for your own therapy.
Still it's a start to admit to you've lost your grip. That's the beginning of your long journey to sanity.

HTH

And you are still in denial.

Oh well.

[Cheshire Cat]

It offends me that my marriage is equated with something less.

And it is less because... gay couples cannot bear children?

[OwlHoot]

That would indicate that the Theory of Evolution is wrong. After all adaptation and evolution relies on genetic changes being carried forward between successive generations. That implies a definite reproductive mechanism, which further implies that homosexuality is not compatible with Evolution.

Taking it to its logical conclusion, it is a genetic variation that is self-limiting and will be naturally de-selected.

Give it another millenia or so of natural selection and there wont be any gay people. We're still evolving.

It's naive to assume evolution is just about an individual's genes.

Darwin pondered homosexuality a lot, and reckoned it might be a side effect visited on sons of more fertile women. In other words, women with more female hormones swilling around would have more offspring, but with a higher chance of homosexual offspring. Sounds plausible, and I think recent studies have lent support to that idea.

Also, in primitive societies of the past, homosexuality may well have had a role in keeping horny teenagers occupied with each other instead of risking life and limb competing with larger adult males for females, and bonding adult warriors etc. (Alexander the Great and half his army were as gay as coots don't forget!)

[sasguru]

And you are still in denial.

Oh well.

About what? Methinks you're the one who's protesting too much.

[Mich the Tester]

It offends me that my marriage is equated with something less.

Beyond the legal rights afforded by marriage, your marriage means to you exactly what you want it to mean to you. As does your relationship with your god. I would never want to interfere in your freedom to attach your own meaning to these matters.

Beyond the legal rights afforded by civil union, my civil union means to me and Mrs Tester exactly what we want it to mean. As does our lack of a relationship with a god we don’t believe exists.

Nobody's equating your marriage to anything else. Your marriage is for you and Mrs deano, and you can equate it with anything you like.