Children Seen as "Feral" and "Dangerous"...

[EternalOptimist]

Yes, I guess to the limp-wristed it does appear silly.

I suggest, kids getting a clip round the ear, even if undeserved, is far preferable to kids getting hurt because they've never discovered the boundaries of play before it is too late to learn.

You really can't have it both ways.

yep, plus anyone who gets the social services involved is asking for serious trouble

[Purple Dalek]

Thats what the police and social services are for. If you think they are inadequate, that is a different debate.

OMG Pinko Alert! Society is responsible for society. Everybody is everybodies neighbour. Talk about the it's not my job, I'm all right jack, stuff everyone else, attitude!

Grow a pair, smell the coffee.

[Chugnut]

If you think that is ok to hit kids like that then you a spineless moronic twunt.

No, of course I don't but I was only about 20 and a bit more hot headed back then.

They'd knocked over a smaller kid and barged into a number of other people whilst chasing around the store at full pelt. A number of people had asked them to simmer down and they took no notice. When one of them ran into us and hurt my girlfriend, I'd had enough.

[DodgyAgent]

What if your kids are out of control to the point where both you and the school are unable to keep them in line? What would you then suggest to the people who are suffering constantly as a result of the ongoing actions of your kids?

I don't condone needlessly knocking kids about, but you have to feel for the poor folk who are constantly suffering at the hands of anti-social behaviour and feel powerless to do anything about it.

My kids would never be out of control, and if they were I would expect to take responsibility for their behaviour and for me to be dealt with according to the law.
you are talking about the very small minority who have no controls over them, which is where the law should be brought to bear. Those that still fail to make the law protect those who are terrorised should then themselves be held accountable.
Talking to out of control kids is one thing, hitting them puts you below their level except where self defence is required.

[DodgyAgent]

OMG Pinko Alert! Society is responsible for society. Everybody is everybodies neighbour. Talk about the it's not my job, I'm all right jack, stuff everyone else, attitude!

Grow a pair, smell the coffee.

You still have not told us whether you have kids of your own. I imagine not. and I imagine that you are so deeply insecure that the only way you know of dealing with things that frighten you is with violence.

[Purple Dalek]

You still have not told us whether you have kids of your own. I imagine not. and I imagine that you are so deeply insecure that the only way you know of dealing with things that frighten you is with violence.

When I were a lad you could come in here for a proper argument, but now the place seems crowded out with mental lightweights who resort the most purile of logical fallacies when they are incapable of defending, or lack the integrity to retreat from, a weak position.

[DodgyAgent]

When I were a lad you could come in here for a proper argument, but now the place seems crowded out with mental lightweights who resort the most purile of logical fallacies when they are incapable of defending, or lack the integrity to retreat from, a weak position.

It seems to me that you are an easily scared individual who when confronted with something that makes you afraid immediatly resorts to violence in order to hide this fear. I would imagine that you are scared of children partly because you dont have any of your own (there is nothing wrong with this). You therefore make no attempt to understand (which is different to condoning) their behaviour.

Children are deeply insecure (especially teenagers) and react to situations in what seems to us to be illogical ways. The reverse is actually true, so when an adult comes along and deals with a problem using violence then this is conveyed as acceptable behaiour to children.

You will probably find that the most violent bullies were themselves violently bullied as children.

[EternalOptimist]

It seems to me that you are an easily scared individual who when confronted with something that makes you afraid immediatly resorts to violence in order to hide this fear. I would imagine that you are scared of children partly because you dont have any of your own (there is nothing wrong with this). You therefore make no attempt to understand (which is different to condoning) their behaviour.

Children are deeply insecure (especially teenagers) and react to situations in what seems to us to be illogical ways. The reverse is actually true, so when an adult comes along and deals with a problem using violence then this is conveyed as acceptable behaiour to children.

You will probably find that the most violent bullies were themselves violently bullied as children.

well I was treated with extreme violence as a kid, never did me any harm

I think I have manged to break the cycle though, some kids looked at me funny so I jumped all over their bikes. Little feral gits

[Purple Dalek]

It seems to me that you are an easily scared individual who when confronted with something that makes you afraid immediatly resorts to violence in order to hide this fear. I would imagine that you are scared of children partly because you dont have any of your own (there is nothing wrong with this). You therefore make no attempt to understand (which is different to condoning) their behaviour.

Children are deeply insecure (especially teenagers) and react to situations in what seems to us to be illogical ways. The reverse is actually true, so when an adult comes along and deals with a problem using violence then this is conveyed as acceptable behaiour to children.

You will probably find that the most violent bullies were themselves violently bullied as children.

Continuing with an Ad hominem fallacy just makes your position look even weaker.

[DodgyAgent]

Continuing with an Ad hominem fallacy just makes your position look even weaker.

So if my position is so weak why are you not able to argue your superior position?