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[Bagpuss]

My view is that it is the state that creates most of the evil people and most certainly the criminal and anti social elements of society.

Victorian England, no Welfare, but copious amounts of violent crime and debauchery. Then take the most notorious serial killers of recent times, none on state benefits that I can recall, either working or middle class.

[EternalOptimist]

Look at evidence then. What do you think a survey of criminals would throw up? would they be mostly privatly educated middle classes at the one end or would they be the products of single parent, council house, welfare recipients?

what do you think?

If we have 100k of these criminals/potential criminals now, how many would there be if there were no free houses for young single mums and much less welfare. more ? or less ?


what do you think ?

[shaunbhoy]

Victorian England, no Welfare, but copious amounts of violent crime and debauchery. Then take the most notorious serial killers of recent times, none on state benefits that I can recall, either working or middle class.

And serial killers account for what percentage of crime? Is it 0.00045 or 0.000045%, I can never remember.

[Moscow Mule]

Look at evidence then. What do you think a survey of criminals would throw up? would they be mostly privatly educated middle classes at the one end or would they be the products of single parent, council house, welfare recipients?

what do you think?

It depends on the nature of the crime doesn't it?

A lot of new crimes have been created in the last ten years under the banners of anti-social behaviour & terrorism which criminalises behaviour which would have previously been accepted.

[Bagpuss]

And serial killers account for what percentage of crime? Is it 0.00045 or 0.000045%, I can never remember.

He was talking about evil people, fiddling the dole and a bit of shoplifting or joyriding is not evil in my book.

[expat]

What is the point of protecting a child that is DEAD !!! This is to protect HMG, and it's just a shame that too many people are just too stupid to realise this.

Oh get a grip.

Slowly:
Secrecy is in general automatic in family law and child protection. This general principle applies from the start, in order to ensure that children's identity etc are not divulged, for their protection.

It is a general rule, not an ad hoc action in one case.

[shaunbhoy]

He was talking about evil people, fiddling the dole and a bit of shoplifting or joyriding is not evil in my book.

Then you need a new book baggy. It is a slippery slope I tell you....today's litter lout is tomorrow's crazed gunman!!

[Cyberman]

Oh get a grip.

Slowly:
Secrecy is in general automatic in family law and child protection. This general principle applies from the start, in order to ensure that children's identity etc are not divulged, for their protection.

It is a general rule, not an ad hoc action in one case.

It is NOT a general rule. The authorities specifically went to court to shut this woman up. The child is DEAD and all evidence should now be gathered to weed out any incompetent people and sack them. Of course HMG do not want this because they have much to hide.

[DodgyAgent]

If we have 100k of these criminals/potential criminals now, how many would there be if there were no free houses for young single mums and much less welfare. more ? or less ?


what do you think ?

So why do we pay tax for welfare when it makes not the slightest diffence to poverty and crime?

[expat]

It is NOT a general rule. Yes it is. The authorities specifically went to court to shut this woman up. Yes. The child is DEAD Yes and all evidence should now be gathered to weed out any incompetent people and sack them. Yes. Or more. Of course HMG do not want this because they have much to hide. Yes.

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