To Obama, from Russia with Love

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President Dmitri Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama

President Medvedev ordered missiles to be stationed up against Nato’s borders yesterday to counter American plans to build a missile defence shield.

Speaking within hours of Barack Obama’s election, Mr Medvedev announced that Russia would base Iskander missiles in its Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad – the former German city – next to the border with Poland.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5090077.ece


Got to love those Russkies.

Armchair generals, fake / real Russians, end of days true believers - Comments?

[Paddy]

The agreements under Regan and Gorbachev in the Glasnost and Perestroika years was that the Berlin wall will be allowed to fall, the Russian bases would be dismantled and their troupes withdrawn to the Russian border. These actions were in exchange for assurances that NATA would not expand into countries that were under the former influence of the Soviet Union. As you well know the USA to not keep to their side of the agreement and has expanded even further under George Bush. The Russian missiles are being based in Russian and not another country.. The US radar is being placed in Poland in exchange for millions of dollars in bribes. The ignorance of some of the people on this board is amazing and I do wonder how they were educated.

[DodgyAgent]

The agreements under Regan and Gorbachev in the Glasnost and Perestroika years was that the Berlin wall will be allowed to fall, the Russian bases would be dismantled and their troupes withdrawn to the Russian border. These actions were in exchange for assurances that NATA would not expand into countries that were under the former influence of the Soviet Union. As you well know the USA to not keep to their side of the agreement and has expanded even further under George Bush. The Russian missiles are being based in Russian and not another country.. The US radar is being placed in Poland in exchange for millions of dollars in bribes. The ignorance of some of the people on this board is amazing and I do wonder how they were educated.

You lot like your rules dont you? You cannot think in "grey terms at all. The world has changed, do you relally expect that agreements made 30 years ago will be made to stay in place to satisfy people like you? Dynamics change, threats change and people change so tactics change. Countries like Poland want to join the EU but also want NATO security as they are stepping away from Russia. This board is full of cowardly "little Russia" lovers.

face it Russia is run by evil egomaniacs, face up to it rather than look for appeasement by criticising our own people and our own democracies.

[NotAllThere]

If Russia joined Nato, problem would be solved.

[Paddy]

You lot like your rules dont you? You cannot think in "grey terms at all. The world has changed, do you relally expect that agreements made 30 years ago will be made to stay in place to satisfy people like you? Dynamics change, threats change and people change so tactics change. Countries like Poland want to join the EU but also want NATO security as they are stepping away from Russia. This board is full of cowardly "little Russia" lovers.

face it Russia is run by evil egomaniacs, face up to it rather than look for appeasement by criticising our own people and our own democracies.

You don’t let facts get in the way of your argument DA? The majority of people in Poland and the Czech Republic (75%) do not want NATO or the US missile shield. Democracy DA?

If agreements don’t matter than it’s the same as Hitler’s words. “Would you go to war over a piece of paper?”

[tay]

You don’t let facts get in the way of your argument DA? The majority of people in Poland and the Czech Republic (75%) do not want NATO or the US missile shield. Democracy DA?

If agreements don’t matter than it’s the same as Hitler’s words. “Would you go to war over a piece of paper?”

You arent making much sense... the majority in the UK dont want Brown as PM... he is still there.
The Poles will get a chance to vote out a govt if they feel strongly enough... in fact they already did, and they didnt take it. They have already made thier choice.

[M_B]

The Russians are just adapting to the new strategic threat - it was inevitable.

[DodgyAgent]

You don’t let facts get in the way of your argument DA? The majority of people in Poland and the Czech Republic (75%) do not want NATO or the US missile shield. Democracy DA?

If agreements don’t matter than it’s the same as Hitler’s words. “Would you go to war over a piece of paper?”

Where do you get these figures from?

[Nicky G]

The Russians are preparing for the destruction of the United States. Perestroika was a deception to disarm the West and take away Western unity in the face of a common enemy. They are not concerned by this pathetic defence system. Moving missiles into Kaliningrad is a precursor to war and they’re doing it under the pretence of being the victim, notably announcing such an important move when the eyes of the world are elsewhere (typically devious Mongol Communists).

Unfortunately, brain dead Little Timmy's everywhere believe the Russian lies and agitprop. To them a nation of hockey mums and narcissists is the greatest threat to world peace (Amweican empewialesm / prior knowledge / unlimited wars / goo goo).

[Paddy]

Where do you get these figures from?

The figures are taken from opinion polls and published in the Polish and Czech media. I was in Prague in August and there were mass protests regarding the US radar shield and NATO, not that the BBC would report that. The