Sad day for USA

[lilelvis2000]

What a very sane bunch you are on here.

Not a closet Muslim or black racist as some would have it, not a saviour who will significantly improve the lot of America's blacks or solve the world's problems, just an empty vessel. Three years on there will be a lot of pointless PC crap, more money wasted in welfare, many very relieved people and even more very disappointed ones.

His speeches are just so full of utter meaningless carp it is hard to know what to pick out. Take tonight's drivel, to paraphrase "It isn't our might of arms that makes us great or our wealth, it's our ideas" No it isn't, what makes the US great is its military might and its wealth, if that other stuff mattered most the world would probably be led by Switzerland.

What a great world it would be if there was less emotional response to words, if people would only hear them and ask, "what the hell does that mean?" or "how exactly does the speaker intend to achieve that marvellous sounding aspiration?" or "sounds great but it isn't true or makes no sense at all"

McCain was no different. Frankly if you distorted the voice and played over a radio - I don't think you could tell a difference.

I really could care less if McCain or Obama got in. Presidents are so straight jacketed these days it hardly makes a difference who is the president. Its
all run by corporate interests and relegious zealots.

[BolshieBastard]

It is a sad day for America. Obama’s campaign revolved around glossy marketing, hype and cheesy sound bytes, made easier by the fact that 50 years of Gramscian subversion has made most young people highly malleable to the mostly cynical language of good causes and empty promises of easy salvation / quick fixes.

What I’ve found even more distasteful is the image and personality cult surrounding Obama, which would make Stalin himself proud. It also doesn’t make for a level playing field when a heavily compromised media and Hollywood relentlessly encourages this cult of personality. Looking at some of the hysterical crowds in the US today, celebrating the victory of their Messiah, I seriously doubt that Jesus Himself would be such a big draw if He returned tomorrow.




They've chosen who the monied, liberal, "useful idiot" media wanted them to.

Congrats. You've won the prize nod award.

I wonder what sad little lives people like you have. (that's a rheotorical question btw)

[expat]

Yeah, but the other stuff you learned at the convent is great!

The riposte is ordinary but the smilies are class!

[chef]

Congrats. You've won the prize nod award.

I wonder what sad little lives people like you have. (that's a rheotorical question btw)

ok, your obviously new, there are certain stereotypes on here, threaded owns 200 bugatti's, wilmslow is a self involved dilusional attentionseeker, atw is a stubborn ruskie, andyw is simply offensive, there are numerous "strong willed" people on here and nicky g is a doom-mongerer.. HTH

[Clippy]

McCain was no different. Frankly if you distorted the voice and played over a radio - I don't think you could tell a difference.

I really could care less if McCain or Obama got in. Presidents are so straight jacketed these days it hardly makes a difference who is the president. Its
all run by corporate interests and relegious zealots.

I could. Sounded like RED RUM or was that MURDER. eek.

[Nicky G]

OK look, the planet was not 'created' 10,000 years ago, more like billions of years ago by natural forces occuring in the universe.

Dinosaurs are not a test from God, nor did they walk on the planet in the last 10,000 years with man (as Sarah Palin beleives).

Jesus was a very clued up guy who re-interpreted universal truths that were known before he arrived. Unfortunatly some less clever men decided to make a rather strange religion out of it. He is not coming back. Ever.

Clear enough for you?

Yes, very clear. It will be just as clear to dumb, gullible Americans that when the personality cult and pop music politics dies down there's the small matter of reality to deal with. That national debt isn’t going to disappear, poverty isn't going to be eradicated and it’s going to take more than "Yes we can" to bring back consumer confidence. Then there’s Russia and China and the World War 3.

[Stan.goodvibes]

That national debt isn’t going to disappear, poverty isn't going to be eradicated and it’s going to take more than "Yes we can" to bring back consumer confidence. Then there’s Russia and China and the World War 3.

OK, first off: Bush was hailed as a saviour by the far right much more than Obama is. The guy called the War on Terror a 'Crusade'.

Second : ... it is axiomatic that the southern Baptist tradition in the States is deeply imbued with the psychology of a "chosen people" living in a "promised land" – an America given them by God (listen to the lyrics of the Star-Spangled Banner).

It is hard to deny that the political prevalence of this mentality under Bush infused the US with a sense of mission to save the world. It follows that saviours of the world might believe that they have a somewhat special place in that world.

So lets be clear here (again). Obama is going to have a difficult time repairing the damage to the economy caused by Bush, and to foreign relations damaged by Bush (The Religious Rights anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-Muslim agenda). And yes, it will take more than just chanting 'Yes we can!'.

But as far as World War 3 goes :- The Bible is a nice book. It really is. But that bit at the end about the end of the world - I really think John was picking his own mushrooms there on Patmos. However under Bush and the fundies they really almost made it a self-fulfilling prophecy. We can thank God that with Obama at the helm WW3 is a lot less likely in our lifetime.

Which must be a blow to you far-right religious guys I know.

[Nicky G]

We can thank God that with Obama at the helm WW3 is a lot less likely in our lifetime.

He says on the day that Dmitry Medvedev announced that Iskander missiles are going to be deployed in Kaliningrad and yet again blamed America for all the world's problems (Hint: they're making a case for war. Why? Because they have the same ambitions as their forefathers).

The Nazis denounced America as a Jewish state and blamed the Jews for starting World War II. The communist denounce America as an imperialist state and prepare to blame the Americans for starting World War III. The writing is on the wall. The propaganda has already done its work. And should the American economy falter, the propaganda will get more and more blatant until it begins to resemble the old Stalinist rant (and the raw insistence that America should be destroyed if the world is to know peace). Communism conceives itself as the principle movement for stopping (American) imperialism. Many decades ago, the founder of the Soviet Union, Vladimir Lenin, said: "We who struggle against imperialism represent an alliance demanding close military solidarity, and any attempts to disrupt this solidarity will be viewed as a totally inadmissible phenomenon, as betrayal of the interests of the struggle…."

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Communist propaganda has a strategic objective. Blacken America’s name, place a question mark over America’s motives and rally the malcontents. There is only one reason the communists have failed to take over the world. That reason is the United States (i.e., American imperialism). Without American nuclear weapons to counter Soviet nuclear weapons the rest of the world would have been forced into a totalitarian straitjacket. It therefore makes sense that Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro want to remove the United States as an obstacle. It makes sense that both men are obsessed with fighting a future war against America. I believe, given the right circumstances, they would provoke such a war, and are willing to sacrifice their respective countries. According to Georgie Anne Geyer, who interviewed Castro four times, "Castro’s ambition was always bigger than the island of Cuba." As Geyer explained, "Countries normally mean nothing to men with these enormous pretensions…."

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Anyone else care for some? Excellent thread btw, top stuff. Nicky - tell us more about WWIII.

[Stan.goodvibes]

Sorry I'm a bit confused with all the olde country names. Is Magog supposed to be Russia or China???