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[TimberWolf]

Yeah no, you're right. I know nothing about the subject.

I can guarantee you I know far more about the subject than you and have worked on similar projects before, but hey ho, I'm on the internet I could be making it all up.

What's the false accept and false reject rate advertised for Tammis? Are they independently verified? Did they let anyone try to deliberately fool the systems? Usually the answer to these questions is no.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Yeah no, you're right. I know nothing about the subject.

I can guarantee you I know far more about the subject than you and have worked on similar projects before, but hey ho, I'm on the internet I could be making it all up.

You worked on a project that held multiple fingerprints for > 40 million individuals? No you didn't.

[Incognito]

So, as I said, you don't have a clue - not a good justification for a system that will involve every adult in the UK, is it?

I don't understand what you're trying to imply here? The card reader and data link would be to confirm the data on your card against the NIR backend. You wouldn't be writing anything to the database from a hospital.

I'll try to keep it simple for you, when you go to an ATM and insert your bank card and enter your PIN, it corroborates that against a big database far, far away, the ATM doesn't have your actual details on it you know.

My fingerprints are my property not the governments. I am not terrified - it is amusing that you keep using Stalinist and Nazi techniques of characterising logical and well-reasoned objections as "luddite" "terrified" or implying I must have something to hide - what a laugh.

You mentioned the principle of innocent until proven guilty, but compulsory ID cards changes that and assume that I must either be lying or "have something to hide" - I don't.

You have got this the wrong way round - if you and your Stalinist government wants my fingerprints, you'd better have a good case - and so far, like the government, you have only proven that you know nothing about the technology, the costs and you haven't thought about any practical details.

As for people having nothing to hide - the government has spent a lot of time and our money trying to keep details of the ID Card scheme secret from us............

Why can you not accept your fingerprints being used as information just like your personal address or your signature. That is why I refer to you as a luddite (which I'm using in the context of someone opposed to technological progress and technological change not a nineteenth century textile artisan just to make that clear, you seem a bit confused).

[DimPrawn]

It must be pretty clear to most people here that the more complex any system is, the more scope for error, unforeseen consequences, loopholes and failure points.

How the hell all this makes us safer is laughable. I pity da fool.

[DodgyAgent]

I don't understand what you're trying to imply here? The card reader and data link would be to confirm the data on your card against the NIR backend. You wouldn't be writing anything to the database from a hospital.

I'll try to keep it simple for you, when you go to an ATM and insert your bank card and enter your PIN, it corroborates that against a big database far, far away, the ATM doesn't have your actual details on it you know.



Why can you not accept your fingerprints being used as information just like your personal address or your signature. That is why I refer to you as a luddite (which I'm using in the context of someone opposed to technological progress and technological change not a nineteenth century textile artisan just to make that clear, you seem a bit confused).

You can chuck a credit card away you cant do that with your fingerprints, same applies to a drivers licence and passport. Your argument is based on the premise that the system will be used for the right reasons, which means you are a deluded twit.

[Incognito]

What's the false accept and false reject rate advertised for Tammis? Are they independently verified? Did they let anyone try to deliberately fool the systems? Usually the answer to these questions is no.

WWW.NIST.GOV

It met their standards; all they do is try to deliberately fool the systems.

Common Criteria and FIPS accreditation are big business in this industry. I do not have a copy of the report that would have been produced when it achieved these standards, however from Common Criteria evaluations, you normally find CESG and the NSA do not reveal the weaknesses publicly.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

I don't understand what you're trying to imply here? The card reader and data link would be to confirm the data on your card against the NIR backend. You wouldn't be writing anything to the database from a hospital.

I'll try to keep it simple for you, when you go to an ATM and insert your bank card and enter your PIN, it corroborates that against a big database far, far away, the ATM doesn't have your actual details on it you know.
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I was talking about the costs, try and keep up.

Why can you not accept your fingerprints being used as information just like your personal address or your signature. That is why I refer to you as a luddite (which I'm using in the context of someone opposed to technological progress and technological change not a nineteenth century textile artisan just to make that clear, you seem a bit confused).

Why should I? - you haven't offered a single credible reason why your government friends should take over management of my identity and charge me to use it.

Thank you for clarifying your ignorant use of the term Luddite.

[Incognito]

You worked on a project that held multiple fingerprints for > 40 million individuals? No you didn't.

I agree, I haven't, I never claimed I did. I have worked on similar projects. You are not security cleared and I won't be discussing them.

[TimberWolf]

WWW.NIST.GOV

It met their standards; all they do is try to deliberately fool the systems.

Common Criteria and FIPS accreditation are big business in this industry. I do not have a copy of the report that would have been produced when it achieved these standards, however from Common Criteria evaluations, you normally find CESG and the NSA do not reveal the weaknesses publicly.

That's handy! Not even FA and FR rates? We could have done some mathematics...

[Incognito]

You can chuck a credit card away you cant do that with your fingerprints, same applies to a drivers licence and passport. Your argument is based on the premise that the system will be used for the right reasons, which means you are a deluded twit.

I'm not a deluded twit. What else do you think they could do apart from use it as an Identity register.

Health profiling with your DNA perhaps??


Sounds a bit twin peaks to me.