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[Peoplesoft bloke]

I'm sorry, ....


That's why I support it. We'll agree to disagree, because this thread is taking up to much of my time.

Fair enough, you think I can't be trusted to manage my identity and therefore the government must do it for me, you also trust this and all future governments not to be useless inept reckless or malicious in the way they use this data and not to make any errors (or at least you assume errors won't matter as it will only affect other people). Oh, and I accept your apology.

[Incognito]

From whats said on the IPS site these will then allow you to get an ID card in the name used using biometric data supplied at the time of application for the ID card.

I don't think those documents alone will give you a card straight away. It's the same with a passport, additional checks are carried out.

But again, it's always the Human link that breaks the chain:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lications.html

However, you can't fake the Biometric data.

[Incognito]

Fair enough, you think I can't be trusted to manage my identity and therefore the government must do it for me, you also trust this and all future governments not to be useless inept reckless or malicious in the way they use this data and not to make any errors (or at least you assume errors won't matter as it will only affect other people). Oh, and I accept your apology.

Actually I think you're the type of person that won't be affected by the scheme, you're obviously semi-intelligent and appear to be working and speak good English.

That's not who the ID card is meant to target.

Now I'm off.

[TimberWolf]

However, you can't fake the Biometric data.

That would be an excellent way to end a troll, if you'd been trolling...

[Bob Dalek]

Exactly, HUMAN error. Just like all the recent data losses that have occured have been down to HUMAN error. It is not down to flaws of the technology or ideal behind it. I have expressed all along that is your attack vector. And what you'll find is that the ID scheme will most probably require DV clearance to get anywhere near it.



I would suspect that if you had more than 1 biometric value flagging within tolerance ranges then someone would most probably take a look at it. Similar Iris patterns yes, similar Iris patterns and fingerprint swirls, erm no.

We haven't been able to introduce this yet as all data that is imported to the system for passports and driving licences are non-persistent values. Biometric information will change that.

DV clearance. That is superb! Given the incredibly high value of the data that will be in such a database, the potential for buying/extorting the data is equally high, so DV = not worth an owl's fart.

[Incognito]

DV clearance. That is superb! Given the incredibly high value of the data that will be in such a database, the potential for buying/extorting the data is equally high, so DV = not worth an owl's fart.

That's why you're not DV'd

[Bob Dalek]

That's why you're not DV'd

I don't currently have access to the requisite amount of cheap lager to make any sense of what you said.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Actually I think you're the type of person that won't be affected by the scheme, you're obviously semi-intelligent and appear to be working and speak good English.

That's not who the ID card is meant to target.

Now I'm off.

As usual, you make a range of assumptions. You don't know I can speak at all.

I will be affected.like everyone else if enough semi-morons of the "nothing to hide" mentality allow this mendacious scheme to go ahead.

1) It will cost lots of money. Lots. So much the government won't even talk about how much.
2) If it is allowed to reach a critical mass, all sorts of petty jobsworths with no earthly good reason will demand to see my papers.
3) Idiots will start to believe it is foolproof and it won't be.
4) When errors are mode it will take ages to ge anyone to take any notice - I know this from my dealings with the DVLA already.

Finally you seem to think I'd be in favour of a scheme that only affects people with poor English or who are out of work (or both) I don't know why you think that, but you really shouldn't judge others by your own standards.

[TykeMerc]

Incognito are you for 1 instant suggesting that everyone connected with the implementation, administration, maintenance, use, access and population of this ID database would have to be DV cleared? That would run into tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands if you consider anyone who could legitimately access a terminal which could swipe the card and verify the biometrics.
The DVA has enough problems clearing half a dozen people for a project inside of 9 months and the cost for a DV for each person isn't chicken feed.

As to the assertion that Biometric data can't be forged that's absurd since unless you collect the data to a very exacting standard in the first place (as described above) putting any dirtywork aside the basic coincidental similarities when you have a few hundred thousand let alone 60 million records make it totally unreliable.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Incognito are you for 1 instant suggesting that everyone connected with the implementation, administration, maintenance, use, access and population of this ID database would have to be DV cleared? That would run into tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands if you consider anyone who could legitimately access a terminal which could swipe the card and verify the biometrics.
The DVA has enough problems clearing half a dozen people for a project inside of 9 months and the cost for a DV for each person isn't chicken feed.

As to the assertion that Biometric data can't be forged that's absurd since unless you collect the data to a very exacting standard in the first place (as described above) putting any dirtywork aside the basic coincidental similarities when you have a few hundred thousand let alone 60 million records make it totally unreliable.

Stop that - you'll confuse him with facts.